HI, I am also agree with Ramanarayan.GIMP is really a powerful tool for photo and graphics editing.The developers should try to minimize the space it requires,but removing it is not a bright idea.Because it is difficult for a person who does not have a broaband connection to install softwares from repositories. Apu
I am using UBUNTU,r u still on windows... On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Ramnarayan.K <ramnaraya...@gmail.com>wrote: > Hi > > Some days back i had posted about some software being dropped from > future releases of Ubuntu, and this included GIMP > > An article by Ryan Paul, who was present when the decision was taken > to drop GIMP from 10.04 is linked here > > http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/11/giving-up-the-gimp-is-a-sign-of-ubuntus-mainstream-maturity.ars > > I am angry, because if there is one software that i really look > forward too then its GIMP. Everything else is replaceable and > duplicable – not GIMP. > > What is below is a User's rebuttal to the Ubuntu Developers who are > deciding to drop. (the number points are extracts from the article > text which i have chosen to respond to) > > 1. Dropping GIMP is a sign of “Ubuntu's growing maturity as a > mainstream platform for regular users” > > So who are the regular users – I have been a user since Ubuntu's first > version and GIMP has always been my favorite, even if not the most > used software. It allowed me a feel of what all is possible, it > allowed me to express my creativity such that no other software could, > it allows me the happiness of knowing that my machine is running > worldclass software and not some imitation. No other popular Ubuntu > software comes close. And as a “mature” and “regular” user i need > GIMP. > > Are we also to assume that , as we users mature, we should move to a > distribution thats more advanced and that Ubuntu is essentially just a > dumbed down beginners version. > > 2. Its size footprint is especially problematic for Ubuntu, > > Yes GIMP is big, how big, synaptic says, gimp and gimp-data total to > 48.3 MB. I am sure that the developers can find a way to squeeze this > on. Compression technology is fairly advanced and knoppix type > Distributions pack far more than what Ubuntu manages for the same > space so how about including mHowever lets look at their condition > that the base install medium should be a CD. DVD's have become quite > ubiquitous, prices of DVD's now are less than what CD's where at the > time of the first Ubuntu distribution. So instead of dumping software > i think Ubuntu should start providing more – like include more > exciting stuff – celestia or stellarium, inscape, scribus, pdf tools, > audacity, kompozer, etc etc. I am sure there are tonnes of stuff out > there that can be included without detracting from the simple and > friendly approach and even if they are not installed by defualt they > are available to the user on the install medium. > > 3. There is a clear need for a lighter editing program that will start > faster and eschew features that are unnecessary for a majority of > users. > > The replacement being offered is F-Spot – which the author says was > redone in an hour and a half to fill the gap being left by GIMP. So we > regular users now have to simply shift to F-spot because the UD's say > so. How about first providing us with a trial and then letting us > regular users decide if its worth it. F-spot has never been good > enough in the first place and its inclusion over something like gthumb > has always left me confused let alone as a replacement for GIMP. > > 4. The removal of a niche professional graphics editing tool reflects > Ubuntu's growing maturity as a mainstream platform for regular users. > > I wonder if the number of regular users of Ubuntu are less than the > number of new users joining in. If so they maybe its time to figure > out if its worth having a separate distribution for newcomers , who i > think the developers think are dumb and not in a position to use gimp > and for not so dumb regulars who slog very hard to make the base > install of Ubuntu complete but installing a host of missing > applications. > > As far are niche software goes – every thing about Ubuntu is niche > > - openoffice is a software used by office oriented > professionals so drop this and replace it with a text editor or maybe > some other scaled down lite version, after what do we need this slow > to load and heavy application for. We can easily get it from the > repository if need be. > > - Similarly dump evolution – afterall only a user whose used > it before is going to use this, a new user won't even know about a > mail client will they. > > - How about Firefox, the flag bearer of the open source > initiative. This is definetely a niche product, since it makes up only > 25% of the installed browsers, thus i urge the Ubuntu Developers to > give us something more light weight and less nichey, I hope they have > something in mind. Firefox is too professional, heavy, slow and > niched. > > - Finally Ubuntu itself is only used by a small portion of > the computer users so why not drop this niche idea and just move on. > > 5. Still easy to get GIMP from the repositories > > The trend of dropping software has been noticeable – first thunderbird > disappears from the install CD, then gthumb, wvdial and now GIMP. As a > regular Ubuntu user, and many others like me, every time we upgrade or > reinstall we have to either spend hours travelling and reaching a > broadband place and installing large numbers of other software to make > our system complete or wait till we lay our hands on repository DVD's. > > No its not easy to get GIMP or any of the other software thats not on > the install CD. And this trend of having to depend on sources other > then the base install medium does not help at all. This is painful > enough that we have to wait to install critical software, not > available on our initial install medium. > > 6. I think that when people take a step back and objectively assess > the implications of removing the GIMP from the default installation, > they will see that it is really the right decision. > > When i step back and think the only thought is that instead of the > default Ubuntu i will need to source a more complete deriviative or an > alternative Linux version that is more responsive to a regular users > needs. Ubuntu will , for me, be consigned to being a dumbed down > version of Linux not world class, not worthy of replacing a complete > OS and, not worthy of being promoted. > > End note > > I am a very active promoter of Linux and Ubuntu. Usually there are a > few copies of the latest Ubuntu that are always on me and at every > given chance i show it off – both on my machine as well as a live > session on some one elses machine. Invariably the first software i > show off is GIMP and what it can do to images – editing, adding text, > adding layers, scaling etc, and this gets people very impressed. In > todays day of instant digital devices the most prominent digital use > is of images – so apart from a good image viewer and manager there is > a need for a good image editor and for that there is no replacement > for GIMP. > > So while giving up GIMP is a sign of Ubuntu's main stream maturity I > will be giving up on Ubuntu and look to move on to some thing that > looks to meet my needs. > > -- > ubuntu-in mailing list > ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in >
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