-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The way I see it is if we cannot agree on a one-paragraph coer mission statement in one hour, we are in SERIOUS trouble :-)
Simon Schneebeli wrote: > John Botscharow wrote: > Simon, > > First of all, I think we are talking about two different but related > things. What I am talking about is a simple CORE mission statement - > one paragraph. THAT is essential before we can do anything else. We > agree on that at the meeting and then we can follow your proposal to > flesh it out. > >> I see. Hm. I'm still not convinced that it's a good idea to "create" >> this with all the folks. Best is maybe to do a brainstorming and then >> have a small team sort out, reword, split, combine etc to have a few >> proposals and then have a final discussion/vote about it. > We probably should also set some time limits on discussions. I'll go > into the agenda on the wiki and put in some suggested time limits for > each of the main items. >> That's certainly a good point. > But people should be prepared for this meeting to go at least 2 hours > and probably 3 if we want to accomplish what needs to be accomplished. > Once all this is set up, future meetings should be more organized, > more effective and a lot shorter. > >> I hope so ;-) > >> Regards > >> Simon > Peace@ > > John > > On 06/04/2008 08:30:55 AM, Simon Schneebeli wrote: > >>>> Hey John, >>>> >>>> I completle agree that a clear mission statement is possible. >>>> >>>> To proceed as you think we should do is not impossible, but will >>>> certainly result in a great deal of discussion, frustration and loss >>>> of time. I really don't think that it is a good idea to discuss about >>>> a mission statement with I don't know how many people and without a >>>> discussion basis. >>>> >>>> Please simply consider to proceed as follows: >>>> - 1. elect an intermediate team (mars mission team, only 3 to 5 >>>> persons) who will have to work out a mission statement proposal >>>> - 2. discuss this proposal in a next meeting >>>> - 3. change whatever needs to be changed in the mission statement >>>> - 4. elect a team according to mission statement. >>>> >>>> When trying to let people participate, it is always necessary to find >>>> the right compromise between efficiency and participation of everyone. >>>> >>>> If there is more discussion than any concrete outcome, this is most >>>> often a sign that there is too much participation. >>>> >>>> Please please consider your opinion again. >>>> >>>> Simon >>>> >>>> John Botscharow a écrit : >>>> >>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>> >>>>> Simon, >>>>> >>>>> Yes, defining a mission can take a lot of time, but we really >>>> cannot >>>> do >>>>> any of the other stuff until we define, at least in general terms, >>>>> >>>> who >>>>> we are and what we do. This lack of a clear mission is, IMHO, the >>>>> reason this team has not been effective. That and a lack of >>>>> >>>> leadership. >>>>> We need to resolve both these issues at this meeting no matter how >>>>> >>>> long >>>>> it takes or we will just continue going nowhere. >>>>> >>>>> I did warn everyone that this meeting might take awhile when I >>>>> suggested the 1200 UTC start time LOL >>>>> >>>>> Peace! >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 06/04/2008 01:17:40 AM, Simon Schneebeli wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Still new here and about to understand how things work. >>>>>> >>>>>> As for the agenda: >>>>>> >>>>>> Having worked with different teams, I have made the experience >>>> that >>>> >>>> >>>>>> it >>>>>> >>>>>> takes a lot of time to define a mission statement with which everybody >>>>>> >>>>>> can identify, that is I think that one meeting of maybe one or two >>>>>> hours involving a lot of people is not enough to work out a mission >>>>>> statement, the way we work with Canonical, improve the internal >>>>>> communication AND >>>>>> >>>>>> ways to improve the team wiki. When I coach teams in defining >>>> their >>>> >>>> >>>>>> mission statement, values, strategies etc, this takes generaly several >>>>>> >>>>>> days, and this is done only involing a small team. >>>>>> >>>>>> So my proposition is to cut down drastically the agenda to >>>>>> - get to know who is doing what today >>>>>> - elect a "mars team" that is supposed to work out a proposal for >>>>>> . mission statement >>>>>> . team structure >>>>>> . next steps (eventually, depending on the time that is left) >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm just afraid, that if our agenda will be too ambitious, we will all >>>>>> >>>>>> end up frustrated because we won't have time to discuss all that. >>>>>> >>>>>> Simon >>>>>> >>>>>> Bruno Barrera Yever a écrit : >>>>>> >>>>>>> I can be the scribe if you want. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Rubén Hubuntu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>> From: Rubén Hubuntu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> Date: Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:13 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Next MarketingTeam Meeting - >>>>>>>> >>>> June >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> 7th 2008 - >>>>>> >>>>>>>> 21 >>>>>>>> To: Onno Benschop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sorry, running out the door, but has this been booked in >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> ubuntu-meeting >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> because then we'll get the services of mootbot which will log >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> action >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> points and log the meeting to a meeting file. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please, can somebody "book us" and add us to the fridge as well? >>>>>>>> >>>>>> After >>>>>> >>>>>>>> confirmation I will add it to the Issue 93 of UWN. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also, from the messages I'm unsure where the meeting will be >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> held, >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ubuntu-meeting, or ubuntu-marketing? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Personally I think it should be in ubuntu-meeting and leave the >>>>>>>>> ubuntu-marketing room for day-to-day "live" support. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +1 for #ubuntu-meeting @ irc.freenode.net >>>>>>>> All community teams (not LoCos though) use it and it works >>>>>>>> >>>> pretty >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> well. >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks in advance! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> R. >>>>>>>> https://launchpad.net/~huayra >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> ubuntu-marketing mailing list >>>>>>>> ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> ubuntu-marketing mailing list >>>>>> ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>>> >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/ >>>> >>>>>> listinfo/ubuntu-marketing >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFISCY83oYFui6B2koRAvMxAJ4zOVuWBYAK4LGOh+tWMvYkHx1OHgCgtwaq T4s4ejIF86J4TYfDIpY8eT8= =eCCG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
