-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:12:01 -0500 "John Vilsack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> John B., > > I can appreciate your concerns. However the messages from the past > 24 hours have all had a good point: If the idea is good, and the > initiative is a good one, then it will flourish. If people do not > embrace it, then it wasn't meant to be. > > I do not think for a second that it will hurt to try, and we can only > learn from the experience. > > I do not think there is anything sinister in trying to organize > things, but I think having a seperate planning group exposes it more > publicly and thusly allows for more people to contribute. You never > know who is listening that is interested in hearing what we have to > say. > > I think as a collective group those that will come to be a part of the > core-marketing group would welcome what you have to say about your > project ideas. > > Thanks, > John > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:34 PM, John Botscharow > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > John V., > > > > I am not sure that a new team within this team is the solution. I am > > concerned that this solution will only compound the problems, not > > fix them. I could be wrong, but I will need to be convinced :-) > > > > There are other options that need to be discussed, and which I > > wanted to discuss somewhere other than this list, given the > > comments by a number of people who are really not interested in > > discussing this. That is why I contacted the people I knew were > > interested in taking a leadership role, to discuss how best to > > proceed with this discussion without offending half the list in the > > process. > > > > I started with those people who had expressed an explicit interest > > in doing something constructive, plus some people that Jord > > recommended. Five in all to start with. Three, including myself, > > responded. > > > > And I got "chastized" for that because people saw some sinister > > motive in my intentions. I still think a few heads are better than > > one and I still would like to have that "committee" meet and > > discuss things separate from this list. > > > > By doing it as a small group, we would have the benefit of several > > perspectives on the issues and perhaps come up with a solution that > > pleases more people than anything any one of us alone could come up > > with. Also, a small group is one step closer to a consensus than one > > person's ideas. > > > > I am still willing to do this, if the people who were originally > > invited to be part of the committee are willing. And, if you wnat to > > recommend someone to add to the list. feel free. That was going to > > be the first order of business after we work out the communication > > logistics. > > > > To those people I originally contacted, the courtesy of a reply, > > even to tell me you are not interested, would be appreciated. > > > > On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:59:06 -0500 > > "John Vilsack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > In order to help make the Marketing of Ubuntu more effective, a > > > new Launchpad team called the Ubuntu Core Marketing Team has been > > > created. This team will focus primarily on planning and > > > championing our projects and strategies that have an impact the > > > entire global Ubuntu community. The Core Marketers will help > > > design project plans complete with task lists that will allow any > > > contributor to help a project easily and effectively. > > > > > > Some of the rough ideas that the Ubuntu Core Marketing Team may be > > > able to help with are: > > > > > > * Creating a central repository where community members can > > > access the most up to date marketing information without having > > > to dig for it. > > > * Using Launchpad Blueprints to help give new team members a > > > concise map of the current direction of the team. > > > * Possibly using the Launchpad Bug functionality to showcase > > > which tasks are being worked on, and where contributors can lend > > > a hand. > > > * Moving the intense planning discussions off the main list of > > > marketing contributors that do not care for the exhaustive > > > rhetoric of the envisioning phase. > > > * Developing a release schedule that coincides with the Ubuntu > > > distro cycle so that materials are consistently up-to-date. > > > > > > In order for the Ubuntu Core Marketing Team to be a success, we > > > need several volunteers to help us get started: > > > > > > * A volunteer that is intimately active with the Ubuntu LoCo > > > teams willing to report the Ubuntu Core Marketing Team successes > > > and bring back information about the LoCos to the group. > > > * Someone who works with the Development teams that can help > > > parse information about upcoming distributions that we can use to > > > plan materials around. > > > * Members familiar with the wiki are needed to help publicize > > > core marketing initiatives. > > > * Leaders from the existing projects (SpreadUbuntu, Studio, > > > etc.) to join us and to contribute when it comes to their > > > projects or relationships with other projects. > > > * The best and brightest minds willing to step up and help create > > > and pilot exciting marketing projects for the whole Ubuntu > > > Community to use. > > > * Volunteers with positive attitudes that understand how to > > > convey excitement to others about new project ideas. > > > > > > If you are someone who feels the desire to contribute by helping > > > to plan or lead projects, sign up to come join the Ubuntu Core > > > Marketing Team today. The group is meant to be a transparent > > > addition to the ubuntu-marketing team that helps the ideas we > > > have together become a reality. We will use Launchpad, the wiki, > > > and the mailing lists to communicate with each other and the rest > > > of the community, so please feel free to contribute in any > > > fashion you would like. > > > > > > Please join us in our effort to create the building blocks needed > > > by the Ubuntu Community to spread Ubuntu throughout the world! > > > > > > Thank you very much, > > > John Vilsack > > > > > > - -- > > Peace! > > > > John > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFIUq+IsTN+hz1Fu7URAjDEAKDCDswB3A7CQvJrTmuRl7ZRfEkOJgCg3Ben > > DHqjvRut1yQohuQoYL4e7Ok= > > =HuFX > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > > ubuntu-marketing mailing list > > ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing > > I'm not really following your logic here, but that's okay. No need to elaborate. You obviously want to do this differently. I am going to at least somewhat defer to the requests to try and keep the noise down about all this strategy and structure stuff. I'll chime in when I have a formal proposal ready. I think we've bored people enough for one lifetime :-) - -- Peace! John -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIUsFvsTN+hz1Fu7URAt6iAKCodRa9qpgD9qQY7Li7U3SGtRZpXACeJY5H LzYWDyaSusnEr3CHWpGty+8= =K2Yi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
