On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Scott Kitterman <ubu...@kitterman.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:28:28 am Mathias Gug wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Excerpts from Dan Sheffner's message of Wed Aug 11 11:14:04 -0400 2010: >> > I guess the only question I have is where do I ask questions about the >> > KVM hypervisor, virsh, and vmbuilder commands? #ubuntu-server or >> > #ubuntu-cloud? it would nice to have one room like #ubuntu-vm for >> > virtual machines that would include xen, kvm, virsh, virtualbox, >> > eucalyptus, etc. >> >> As outlined in the proposal: >> >> 1) Development discussion happens in #ubuntu-devel >> * e.g. packaging, patching, debugging, development, etc. >> >> 2) Traditional server discussion happens in #ubuntu-server >> * e.g. running Ubuntu on your server hardware or in a * virtual >> machine, getting it installed, configuration/management of >> services, virtualization, etc. >> >> 3) New-age cloud server discussion happens in #ubuntu-cloud >> * e.g. running UEC private clouds, running Ubuntu * in EC2, cloud >> work loads, ensemble cloud magic, etc. >> >> #ubuntu-server seems the appropriate place to ask questions about KVM, >> virsh and vmbuilder. > > I missed in the original proposal that development is now off topic in > #ubuntu- > server. I object to this change. #ubuntu-server has been a joint > developer/user channel for a very long time now. It's the one place in the > Ubuntu project where users and developers are on the same channels (yes, some > developers are on user channels, to help, but that's different). We discussed > this very change not very long ago and the consensus was not to change it. > > I feel like this change was slipped in with other changes about IRC channel > consolidation and should have been (re) discussed separately (although > honestly I don't see the need to revisit the discussion so soon).
Scott, I don't think anything really changes in #ubuntu-server, from a development discussion perspective. There's plenty of development-related conversations that will continue in #ubuntu-server, perfectly on-topic. No one is getting kicked/banned from there, and no one should get slapped on the wrist for talking devel (in my opinion). I read Ahmed's proposition to really be about consolidating cloud/virt/ensemble/ec2 channels into one -- simplifying the landscape for those of us subscribed to all 4 and unraveling the maze for our users seeking cloud-related support. The previous recent discussion you refer to, I think, was about splitting #ubuntu-server and #ubuntu-server-devel. As I remember it, we, as a community, n'acked the creation/separation to #ubuntu-server-devel, as we didn't want to divorce ourselves from our user support channel. I still agree with that sentiment, and I think that's unchanged even in Ahmed's IRC realignment suggestion. Cheers, :-Dustin -- ubuntu-server mailing list ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
