On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 8:23 PM, <lukefro...@hushmail.com> wrote: > Google's logging of IP addresses gives them a searchable list of all > searches from > anyone using a static IP address, or a string of IP addresses forwarded by > law > enforcement. The static IP info can be sold to marketers, dynamic IP info > will be > available anytime an ISP cooperates or law enforcement gets a warrant > (etc). > > When someone uses Startpage with HTTPS, Google has the search string but > not the > IP addresses. The user's ISP and anyone watching them get the IP address > but not the > search string. Even if the NSA has a backdoor into the SSL varient used, > to get a warrant > and use the search strings in court would require the NSA to show up in > court and expose > the back door. > > Therefore, when using Startpage, Google has only the strings, anyone else > only the IP > addresses, meaning NOBODY has the ability to search search strings by IP > address and > then sell it to a marketer or talk about it in court. >
for me, i wont trust google, *or* startpage.. enjoy though.. and i'll get behind whatever the team decides.. > > On 09/14/2013 at 5:23 PM, "Ralf Mardorf" <ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net> > wrote: > > > >On Sat, 2013-09-14 at 16:39 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote: > >> lets try and keep this separated out and clear. moving away from > >> google is just that, moving away from google. it has nothing to > >do > >> with the NSA alleged "spying". > > > >+1 > > > >> i personally wouldn't mind a nag at first search with factual > >links > >> and a prompt to choose a preferred search provider. > > > >That's a good idea, but assumed it's not easy to provide, pro > >https://startpage.com/ by Ixquick is speaking, that it does use > >Google, > >but claims to adds privacy and it's default family filter is a > >minor > >annoyance that comes with the advantage, that it's family > >friendly. I > >got very good results when using Start Page with family filter > >enabled, > >the only drawback are ads, but who cares, since those are the same > >ads > >that Google does list. > > > >Results are more or less the same as for a Google search, but while > >Google collects private data, Start Page prevents against the data > >collecting and while Google's default does search for sex and > >violence, > >it's filtered for Start Page's default settings. > > > >Google and all other famous search engines offend privacy, the only > >engines I know, that pretend to respect privacy, are Duck Duck Go > >and > >Ixquick, but a Linux newbie is screwed when using those engines to > >solve > >a Linux issue. Google, resp. Start Page provide much better hits. > > > >I wonder that Google always is the default, IMO it doesn't fit > >that good > >to GNU, that's why I ask to replace Google by Start Page. > > > >For those who fear the NSA, regarding to protection against > >intelligence > >agencies or criminals, I've got doubts that Start Page is much more > >secure and even while Start Page does claim > >"The IP address that is associated with your search will NOT be > >recorded", "We don't collect any personal information on our > >visitors" > >etc. it does benefit from Google, a company that does collect all > >that > >data, so ethically it still might be shady to use Start page > >instead of > >Google, but IMO Start Page is the successor of Scroogle, whereas > >Scroogle never worked that good as Start Page does. > > > >2 Cents, > >Ralf > > > > > >-- > >ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list > >ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > >Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > > > -- > ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list > ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > -- MH mikeholstein.info <http://www.mikeholstein.info/>
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