dO NOT THINK!!! tALK OF FACTS. ----- Original Message ----- From: emmanuel musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 4:04 PM Subject: Re: ugnet_: NRM's Federo has been rejected by Baganda.
> Let's not trivialise such an issue by resorting to tribalism.....remember > that Obote and Amin were once presidents of Uganda and they never gave > federalism a thought, and gauging from their policies, i think they were > against federalism. Buganda and for that matter any region in Uganda has a > right to make demands for federalism. The constitution of Uganda is not > suspended, irrespective of the unfortunate situation in the North of the > country, being caused by the LRA terrorists. > > > >From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: NRM's Federo has been rejected by Baganda. > >Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:02:27 -0400 > > > >Mwaami Musaazi > > > >So you want them to take the time while in IDP Camps and write what they > >want from federalism. Do you really think that getting federalism is any > >where on the list of all most three quarters of Ugandans who have never got > >peace since you guys started to sleep? > > > >Em > > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas > >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "emmanuel musaazi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 11:37 AM > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: NRM's Federo has been rejected by Baganda. > > > > > > > ..but i think over and above everything else is the fact that the demand > >of > > > the baganda for federalism is facilitating a debate and an important one > >at > > > that. Federalism is the way to go particularly for a country like Uganda > > > where there is a lot of uneven development country-wide. What shape it > > > eventualy takes, i think will be a matter of negotiations mainly between > >the > > > units and government. Right now it appears one sided because the other > >units > > > are yet to appreciate the long term benefits of federalisms, they are > > > letting there reactions to federalism be dictated by the baganda, > >instead > >of > > > coming up with their own demands that benefit their regions under such a > > > system. They are failing to realise that as long as buganda is the only > > > region asking for federalism, then it is more likely to get most of it's > > > demands through than if there were several units making demands, in > >which > > > case compromises would have to be made. > > > > > > > > > >From: "ssenya nyange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: NRM's Federo has been rejected by Baganda. > > > >Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 18:11:47 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > >Mr. Mulindwa, > > > > > > > > You started your argument well but you sturbonely > >refused > > > >to apply your federal knowledge to Uganda's situation. When the > >President > > > >or ruling party wants to negotiate an issue, he should not start by > > > >specifically ruling out the BASIC FUNDAMENTALS of the negotiation. In > >other > > > >words NRM cannot say "come and negotiate BUT NO TAX POWERS TO BE GIVEN > > > >under the federo". Thats not how its done in developing civilized > > > >countries. secondly, the govt cannot close out the rest of Uganda when > >some > > > >of the other parts wants it also. This shows that there are some monkey > > > >tricks behind. > > > > > > > >You asked: > > > > > >----------------------...................................................- > > > >For look at it this way, suppose Uganda > > > >>government agrees today and Buganda collects taxes, Kasese will ask > >for > > > >>Kilembe mines, and Jinja will ask for rights on River Nile. How will > >the > > > >>central government run Uganda as a state? > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >------------ > > > > Look at Canada where you reside. Over 50% of Canadian > >economy > > > >is in Ontario. Alberta is the sole producer and exporter of oil in > >Canada. > > > >Do you want to tell us that the rest of the provinces are so poor > >because > > > >the federal govt gives tax powers to provinces? Do you want to say that > >the > > > >federal govt does not get enough from Ontario and Alberta to distribute > >to > > > >the "have not" because of tax powers? > > > > > > > >Mr. Mulindwa, the federal govt collects 7% GST from all provinces. > > > >Provincial govt have powers to levy their own taxes.e.g Ontario has 8% > > > >Provincial Sales Tax ( PST), Eastern provinces have the highest PST and > > > >Alberta does not charge PST at all yet it has the strongest economy in > > > >Canada. Many businesses run away from Eastern provinces and relocated > >to > > > >Alberta because of 0% PST and other taxes. Federal govt charges from > >17% > > > >I.Tax above $7,400 p.a on individuals. Some provinces add on their own > > > >I.Tax e.g Ontario adds on 49% of the Federal Tax. Others like quebec > >add > >on > > > >higher % and Alberta adds on the lowest. In otherwords let the Uganda > >govt > > > >give federal states tax powers, demand and supplies will work out the > >rest. > > > >That does not remove the tax powers and the ability to reallocate funds > > > >from the "have" to the "have not" from the central govt. > > > > > > > >J. Ssenyange > > > >-------------------------------------- > > > >: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >>CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >>Subject: ugnet_: NRM's Federo has been rejected by Baganda. Date: > >Sun, > >24 > > > >>Aug 2003 11:40:57 -0400 > > > >> > > > >>Lisa > > > >> > > > >>There is as well another problem in this whole 'negotiation' Many > >nations > > > >>I > > > >>have seen which turn into Federal nations it happens through > >negotiation > > > >>not > > > >>instructions, and Senyange with the rest of them are missing that very > > > >>vital > > > >>part. > > > >> > > > >>For argument sake let us say that Museveni is a serious man who one > >can > >go > > > >>into such discussion with, and let us say that Buganda wants > >Federalism > > > >>for > > > >>the whole of Uganda. The highest man in this whole matter is Museveni > >and > > > >>not Buganda. Museveni with his government decides what kind of > >federalism > > > >>they are capable to deliver, they decide what powers they can offer or > > > >>refuse, that is why you see that when you look on federal countries > >they > > > >>are > > > >>all running differently. Nations like Canada, are still negotiating > >with > > > >>the > > > >>provinces on what to take and what to leave. Toronto as a city has > >just > > > >>been > > > >>down loaded with services like roads, Public transportation and so on, > > > >>Quebec in the meantime runs her own immigration yet other provinces do > > > >>not. > > > >>So in essence the negotiations must be continuous. You get more and > >more > > > >>as > > > >>you are demonstrating your ability to run the little powers given to > >you. > > > >> > > > >>Let us not forget that Uganda government must always have the keeping > >of > > > >>Uganda as a state as priority one, that is how services can be > >delivered > > > >>to > > > >>all Ugandans equally. So in so doing the same government must keep the > > > >>resources which it sees fit to help her reach that goal. And in saying > >so > > > >>Uganda government has every right to see that Buganda is the main tax > > > >>source > > > >>to finance her running of the nation. The government can not turn > >around > > > >>and > > > >>give its tax base to Buganda that is just impossible. > > > >> > > > >>So if Buganda comes to Uganda government and asks for federalism, that > > > >>request must stop there, if NRm today agrees to deliver it, then you > >can > > > >>start to discuss what the government is willing to offer and not to > >offer. > > > >>Buganda there fore can not ask for federalism and turn around and > >state > > > >>that > > > >>with out taxation rights we do not want federalism. That is pure > >ignorance > > > >>which has been rampant in Buganda all along, and which must stop if > > > >>Buganda > > > >>will play a part in Uganda politics. For look at it this way, suppose > > > >>Uganda > > > >>government agrees today and Buganda collects taxes, Kasese will ask > >for > > > >>Kilembe mines, and Jinja will ask for rights on River Nile. How will > >the > > > >>central government run Uganda as a state? > > > >> > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. 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