Mw. Mulindwa,
If you're not among "Abaana be Ngoma" by birth, then you are not a close Royal and will never be a Kabaka, never. Such a royal is only a royal by Clan not a Royal for succession purposes. The same applies to Clan leaders. If you are not in the line ( Olunnyiriri) of the Clan leader ( Omutaka) you and your offsprings will never become Omutaka. Your line can expand as much as it can up to becoming "essiga" but your "ssiga" will never produce "Omutaka". For the first time you've asked to know. Keep on that way.
J. Ssenyange --------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: ugnet_: And now this!-Baganda royals back 3rd term\mulindwa Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:18:22 -0500
Rehema
What makes one a distant or a close Royal in Buganda culture?
Em
The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" ----- Original Message ----- From: Rehema Mukooza To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:44 AM Subject: Re: ugnet_: And now this!-Baganda royals back 3rd term\mulindwa
Mulindwa Edward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mulindwa:
But we can not get that for even Kasangwawo refused to tell us who Kulembeka
more from Museveni, Ssabasajja or the distant royals? NONE is Kulembeka from Museveni. Museveni is the one who is Kulembeka from Buganda. Ssabasajja kulembekas from Buganda and outside from donations of well-wishers (certificates). Going to Rwakitura does not mean Kulembeka from Museveni. Ssabasajja went there to discuss matters of concern to the Buganda kingdom as the head of Buganda. However, if you are willing to show me evidence to your claims, I might believe you then.
Now, what kind of meeting would the "distant royals" be involved in with Museveni if they are not the "official speakers/negotiators" of Buganda?? Are you telling me that they talk about CULTURE with Museveni?? Are you kidding me?!! The distant royals can exercise their freedoms of speech, it's only that they are not official speakers of Buganda. One can speak without being the official speaker.
Even the "close royals" are not the official speakers of Buganda. But they too can speak if they want. They can speak without being the official speakers. However, certain ranks as the Kabaka and Katikkiro are considered as official speakers. There are other official speakers who get their authority from a concesus of "authorities". ~ Rehema M.
Em
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: "ssenya nyange"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:07 PM
Subject: RE: ugnet_: And now this!-Baganda royals back 3rd term\mulindwa
>
> Mw. Mulindwa
>
> There is alot you dont know about Buganda and Baganda culture.
> Rather that disguising your self, please ask, we shall inform \ educate
> you. You said:
>
> --------------------------
> >"it is the Kabaka and his appointed officials who speak for Buganda and
not
> >some unknown royals." Now that is very interesting if you are telling us
> >that the appointed
> >officials are more powerful in the Kingdom than the Royals.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------
>
> Mulindwa, is this new to you? Dont you know that the Bataka appointed the
> first Kabaka Kato Kintu in a Lukiiko to govern them after helping them to
> defeat Bemba Musota? Please get the facts: For a period of time, a woman
of
> Fumbe ( forgotten her name) ruled Buganda during the time when they were
> searching for the rightful prince ( not any prince). The prince has to be
> "Omwana we Ngoma". Not every prince can be a Kabaka because not all
princes
> are among the "Abaana be ngoma" Currently, I think these could be less
that
> 10.
> Secondly, a prince from Abaana be Ngoma is seconded by his father (
Kabaka)
> to suceed him. After his death, the altimate authority is rested into the
> Katikkiro and 4 or 5 Clan leaders. This means the power lies in the Bataka
> whose authority comes from the 52 Clan members.
>
> So, the princes and princess of the Balangira ( royal) clan
do
> not have any say in the kingdom matters. Only the appointed chiefs (
> abakungu), plus the Bataka and Abaana be Ngoma have authority in the
kingdom
> matters. Thats why the late Ba Ssekabaka killed the immediate princes (
> abaana be Ngoma) for fear of over throwing them. I thint thats why
> Kasangwawo called them "non entities"
>
> J. Ssenyange
> ------------------------------
>
> Mwaami
> >Kasangwawo there is a reason why they are called Royals and you are not.
> >And
> >it frightens if we start to classify the Royals as who is close and who
is
> >not, who is distant and who is not. For a critical thinker can wonder
which
> >standards you use to decide who is a close Royal and who is a distant
> >royal.
> >For example you are now using Ssabalangir a's words, is he among the
distant
> >or the close?
> >And is Buganda Kingdom really that sectarian with in its self?
> >
> >Please enlighten me
> >Em
> >Toronto
> >
> >
> > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "jonah kasangwawo"
> >To:
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:40 AM
> >Subject: RE: ugnet_: And now this!-Baganda royals back 3rd term\matek
> >
> >
> > > There he goes again. Back to his elections lies !
> > >
> > > Firstly, a look at Buganda history shows that there were indeed
> >elections
> > > until your hero destroy ed the Buganda institution. So it's not true
that
> > > Buganda does not believe in elections.
> > >
> > > Secondly, you can't keep on criticizing the lack of elections at Mengo
> >while
> > > you at the same time oppose federalism, which foresees these very
> >elections.
> > > It just doesn't add up.
> > >
> > > Thirdly, bearing in mind the fact that Mengo is still a cultural
> > > institution, it is the Kabaka and his appointed officials who speak
for
> > > Buganda and not some unknown royals. You might spend sleepless nights
> > > moaning about this, but that is a fact.
> > >
> > > It is of no consequence for you to keep on repeating what I said. Take
> >it
> >or
> > > leave it, these distant royals don't speak for Buganda, and, as we
have
> >come
> > > to lear n from a royal who matters in Buganda society, they don't even
> >speak
> > > for the royals. According to press reports, even the Ssabalangira
(head
> >of
> > > the royal clan) doesn't know the people in this group. You are
therefore
> > > crazy to believe that they can have the authority to speak for
Buganda.
> > >
> > > This is similar to some distant relatives of the Queen forming an
> > > association and then claiming that they speak for all English people.
> >Worse
> > > still, it is like if the Mulindwa communication gang claimed that they
> >speak
> > > for all Ugandans !
> > >
> > > Kasangwawo
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Mulindwa Edward"
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To:
> > > >Subj ect: ugnet_: And now this!-Baganda royals back 3rd term\matek
> > > >Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:43:24 -0500
> > > >
> > > >Kasangwawo
> > > >
> > > >But record must as well indicate that Buganda as an entity has never
> >had
> >an
> > > >election, so if Buganda does not believe into an election then who
ever
> > > >comes up with any comment must be taken to represent Buganda. For I
> >wonder
> > > >today what we must do, should we believe these Royals or believe The
> > > >Katikiro who was appointed by NRM? Who exactly do we have in Mengo
who
> >has
> > > >the authority to speak for Buganda? And who gave him or her that
> >authority?
> > > >For whether you want or not, but Mengo leads a whole bunch of people
> >and
> > > >those people must have a representation, and if a Royal family does
not
> > > >have
> > > >the authority to speak for the Kingdom and we classify that family as
> > > >"These
> > > >are minor distant royals who are out to 'kulembeka' from Mu7, who
also
> >uses
> > > >them for his own ends." That surely opens a whole can of worms.
> > > >So I think that to make sense or to put a more light in this
discussion
> >you
> > > >should end you posting by informing the netters who actually has the
> > > >authority to speak for Buganda as a collective. For with out that and
> >you
> > > >decide to attack a Royal family as such, I think it just shows how
> >Buganda
> > > >needs a prayer, and who knows may be it will come from Museveni?
> > > >It bothers me as well when you allege "These are minor distant royals
> >who
> > > >are out to 'kulembeka' from Mu7, who also uses them for his own
ends."
> >Can
> > > >you actually tell us who Kulembeka from Museveni than Ssabasajja him
> >self?
> > > >
> > > >Get real man here, for some of us have seen him even in Rwakitura its
> >self,
> > > >so do not even go there.
> > > >
> > > >Em
> > > >
> > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> > > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> > > >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "jonah kasangwawo"
> > > >To:
> > > >Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:08 AM
> > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: And now this!-Baganda royals back 3rd term\matek
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Mw. Ssenyange,
> > > > >
> > > > > thank you for injecting some sense and insight into this exchange
> >which
> > > >was
> > > > > degenerating into the usual garbage from the usual quarters. I
wish
> > > >people
> > > > > would ask before commenting on something they apparently have no
> >idea
> > > >about
> > > > > !
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone who knows Buganda would know that there is no Buganda royal
> >of
> > > >any
> > > > > substance in this group. These are minor distant royals who are
out
> >to
> > > > > 'kulembeka' from Mu7, who also uses them for his own ends. That's
> >the
> > > >crux
> > > > > of the matter. All this empty talk about this having anything to
do
> >with
> > > > > federalism is utter rubbish.
> > > > >
> > > > > EMBIRO ? Nga tuzizaawa ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Kasangwawo
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "ssenya nyange"
> > > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: And now this!-Baganda royals back 3rd
> >term\matek
> > > > > >Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 18:56:08 -0500
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Mr. Matek,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You are the one who is myopic, not Bagand a. The
> >royal
> > > >Clan
> > > > > >is one of the 52 clans of Buganda and I think its population
could
> >be
> > > > > >between 200,000 to 800,000. Read the article properly. Those in
the
> > > > > >nespapers associated together to form and register their
> >organization
> > > >with
> > > > > >less than 500 members. Why did they form that organization? You
> >dont
> > > >know
> > > > > >but the reporter gave you a clue. Princess Ndagire with backings
> >from
> > > >Mu7,
> > > > > >Salim Saleh, Kakooza Mutale and Prince Kamanya tried to topple
> >Kabaka
> > > > > >Mutebi and disturbilize the Kingdom with the sole aim of making
it
> > > > > >politically toothless, and eventually wiping it ou t. They
> >misculculated
> > > >and
> > > > > >Baganda behind the Kabaka and Mengo marched to the then cuptured
> >Kasubi
> > > > > >Tombs without fear of the armed Saleh, Mutale & co, and
eventually
> > > >took
> > > > > >over the Tombs. Their step #1 failed misarably. Within a month,
the
> >the
> > > > > >over powered armed Ndagire was enlisted in the president's office
> >and
> > > >later
> > > > > >given the post of special adviser. She is still an "adviser" to
> >Mu7.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any logical sane person cannot construe from the
> >above
> > > > > >history and current situation that Kabaka Mutebi, Mengo, Buganda
> >Royals
> > > >(
> > > > > >majo rity) and Baganda are part and parcel of this group! The
> >tactics
> > > >mu7
> > > >is
> > > > > >using in the north, are basically the same in the west (
Kigezi ),
> >East
> > > >and
> > > > > >Buganda. He has been telling his philosophy to Ugandans but they
> >dont
> > > >get
> > > > > >it. He always tells of "ensenene" ( grasshoppers) being put in a
> >tin
> >by
> > > >Man
> > > > > >( mu7). one type of grasshopper ( kulunkalu) bites off another
type
> >(
> > > > > >kulumbisi) and another type ( mulangira) etc. without realising
> >that
> > > >their
> > > > > >enemy is man (mu7) who put them in a tin is hiding somewhre
waiting
> >for
> > > >his
> > > > &g t; >turn to bite. I think this reminder will put this nosense to its
> > > >ending.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >James Ssenyange
> > > > > >------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > >>Subject: Re: ugnet_: And now this!-Baganda royals back 3rd term
> > > > > >>Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:55:24 EST
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>In a message dated 12/7/2003 3:39:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I start by lookin g what we have on the ground
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > 1) We are sleeping today
> > > > > >> > 2) We have the kingdom
> > > > > >> > 3) We hold the Vice presidency post
> > > > > >> > 4) When Museveni gives us Federalism Ssabasajja will lead
> >Uganda
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > What is wrong with supporting a third term?
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Em
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>EM:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> A wise politician once told me that in politics you must make
> >your
> > > >move
> > > > > >>very
> > > > > >>caref ully. You must make your move bearing in mind the
> >implications
> >of
> > > > > >>such
> > > > > >>moves three, four, ten years from now on you.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Let us face it... Buganda is part and parcel of Uganda whether
one
> > > >likes
> > > > > >>it
> > > > > >>or not. Now ask yourself as to whether the move by the so called
> > > >Buganda
> > > > > >>royals
> > > > > >>will essentially play out well for Buganda Royal with it's
> > > >relationship
> > > > > >>with
> > > > > >>other Ugandan Tribes five years from now after Museveni is gone?
> >...
> > > >You
> > > > > >>immediately begin to see the political Mypic of the Buganda.
They
> >are
> > > > > >>pretty much
> > > > > >>digging the political grave, so to say, of the so called Buganda
> > > >Royals
> > > >!
> > > > > >>..
> > > > > >>especially as it pertains to the Relationship between the
Buganda
> > > >royals
> > > > > >>and
> > > > > >>other tribes of Uganda. I SEE EMBIRO!!!
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