Mulindwa
I prooved you wrong already on Luweero triangle population. Read below. What next
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From: "ssenya nyange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here\Kipenji Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:49:10 -0400
Mulindwa and who ever asked the same question,
Do you know what constitutes Luweero triangle? Please, dont display your ignorance more over you claim to have been born in Luweero triangle. The population you're talking about is of Luweero district as defined by Museveni. How many districts has he curved off off so far since he came to power? Secondly, do know that Mubende, Wakiso, Singo, part of Kyandodo, Singo, Nakasomgola districts etc were part of the Luweero triangle?. Please wake up and dont display your ignorance yet you UPC were the butchers of the early 80's in Luweero triangle. Have you forgotten your areas of butcher? If you update your knowledge then you will be able to understand that Luweero triangle had a population of over 3.5 million.
J. Ssenyange
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From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here\Kipenji Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:29:20 -0400
Mwaami Ssenyange
This is usually the time I fall out of such non productive debate on Uganda
issues, but you see I have a problem with your sweeping statements for you
know what? In the end they will be accepted that we all believe in them. You
stated that 500,000 Baganda were murdered in Luwero District, during Obote
two, well we now know that the population of Luwero was 600,000 people, and
mark these words, population not Baganda. I am not going to sit here and
fight with numbers for they are public only if you took the time to check
the public records. Ssenyange you are an intelligent man and you full well
know the power of information you make public in these forums.
Can you kindly clarify to us that the population of Luwero was decimated to
a mere 100 000? And Ssenyange I am not going to be here and fight the
semantics of who killed, but all I want to know is very simple, were 500 000
Baganda murdered during Obote two or it was a number you picked up from the
space to destroy Obote and UPC government?
Secondly. I have seen a great support from you to the fact that UNLA
murdered Baganda during that time. And I am not here to deny it but I need
to make one observation. That we as people who were physically in Buganda at
the time, saw groups of militias popping up, for example the most murderous
group was by a force made of Baganda and led by a Muganda Nkwanga, the group
was called FEDEMU, these are people who were murdering people left and
center in Mukono District, for I was in Kayunga at a time. another group was
UFM led by Kayiira, and I am just wondering whether you knew any of this? Or
it does not matter when we are killed by our fellow Baganda?
Third. Ssenyange it is very erroneous for you to use Canada as a good
example of how federalism works. For a very long time I have stated here and
in Uganda Press that what we need in Uganda is good leadership and a
population which is not ignorant. And my question is this. If you state that
Canada is united due to federalism, can you kindly explain why Natives are
in Canada, a developed nation, yet live worse than a Ugandan in Uganda? For
truly if leadership is not an issue in Uganda, and if federalism can sort
out our problem/s then one must wonder why Federalism has failed to help the
natives !! You brought in the Canadian issue well may be we also know a
little about it?
Mwaami Ssenyange it is imperative that you put sense into this discussion,
and if you make a mistake a I am sorry can be as fundamental as what you
post in a year. And all I am saying is very simple, that Canada is as is for
Canadians refused to be driven by childish silly politics, Canadians still
believe that all people have a right to life, on that we still believe that
if a Canadian falters he must be charged in a court of law. How can you
refer to Canadian system when you praised a death of a Uganda by the name of
Oyite Ojok? Even my self a man who opposes Museveni even in my sleep, I can
not ask for his death, I want him arrested and tried. And that is what we do
as Canadians. How can you quote the Canadian system when you pull numbers
out of the air? 500 000 were murdered.
Mwaami Ssenyange some of us decided to renounce our nationality for we saw
no light in the pipe. For we saw Uganda population preferring to live under
ignorance, a population you can post to that the majority of Ugandans were
happy at the death of Oyite, and you have no reason to back up your
statement. A population you can lie too that 500 000 were murdered by UPC 2
government, and you are not required to prove so. Muteesa was poisoned by a
girl sent by Obote, yes we all know the man was a drunkard and died of
Scotch. Kasangwawo today has posted a comment about the death of Oyite and
he used a mere statement which he could not back up. Our population if you
look carefully, postings with verifiable numbers are not answered to. For
you have refused to answer to Fugee's posting about the population in Luwero
for you know that it was true and you lied.
So my appeal to you is very simple, do not use Canada system to confuse our
people. For when my mother hears that federalism is great in Canada, she
goes ballistic, but you have told her half of the story.
Em And yes in Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message ----- From: "ssenya nyange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: ugnet_: Re_: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here\Kipenji
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> Mw. Kipenj
>
> Your logic on Canada vs. Uganda is not correct. Its vise versa.
> Canada is united and developed because of its popular motto " Unity in
> diversity". They recognize the diversities based on ethnic origin,
religion,
> nationalities ( or tribes like the Inuits), race, citizenship etc. A prime
> minister will never be voted out just because he spoke French or Inuitkut.
> The most critics of Prof. Lule hated him because after speaking to
Ugandans
> in English at the swearing in ceremony, he spoke in Luganda. That became a
> "capital" offense to many Ganda haters. What if he spoke Luganda in your
> home area? I think he would not have come back to Kampala. UNLESS SUCH
> HATRATE BASED ON ETHINIC ORIGIN IS STOPPED AND UNLESS UGANDANS USE THE
> DIVERSITY TO FORGE UNITY, UGANDA WILL BE AS YOUVE DESCRIBED IT FOR EVER.
One
> of the best vehicles of this unity in diversity is FEDERALISM WHERE
REGIONAL
> GOVTS SHARE POWER WITH THE CENTRAL GOVT ( NOT CENTRAL GOVT DELIGATING
POWER
> TO DISTRICTS).
>
> Mw. Kipenji, I'm surprised that you who have travelled out of Uganda and
> resided in developed world cannot appreciate the unity in diversity! Then
> what will the ordinally Ganda and Achili in Uganda rural areas do? Kill
each
> other just because they dont belong to "them". Remember the recent Acholis
> in Lira who were butchered because of the different ethnic origin. A
french
> canadian will always identify him self as French Canadian or Quebecour.
> English Canadian will always Identify him\her self as English Canadian. A
> native will always identify himself as Inuit, etc. These identities are
ven
> being asked in govt job applications, hospitals, census, etc. Please
update
> your self.
>
> J. Ssenya
>
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>
> >From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here\
> >Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:29:28 +0100 (BST)
> >
> >Mshemiwa Ssenyange,I want to applaud your logic if at all
> >that passes for one with the exception that you really did not
> >pay attention to those Officers and Men of the UNLA who died
> >in that Helicopter crash with the then Chief of Army Staff.
> >Do you remember a one Captain Godfrey Kato,a promising
> >then 28 year old Muganda who died in that crash just a month
> >after his colourful wedding?
> >If you do ,does it mean that you and your fellow Baganda did actually
> >celebrate the loss of this young and talented Muganda soldier,whose widow
> >could be one of the listers on this forum?
> >Ssenyange and ilk,the world has two fundamental divide,i.e Black and
> >White.In Ottawa where you reside,I do not think any non balck person
> >will ask you whether you are a Muganda first rather than whether you
> >come from Africa,by the time they ask you which part of Africa you hail
> >the discussion of your being a Muganda would not arise for that will
matter
> >less to them.This explains why these non Blacks are planning
> >to go to the Mars and Jupiter while our blacks in Uganda are still
> >bothering themselves with knowing olunyiriri,entuba and all that crap and
> >busy celebrating other people's demise as if that by itself has precluded
> >them from death.
> >With this type of flawed logic,it is no wonder that the Buganda Motto
since
> >about 1200 has been and is:"Gakyaaali mabaga".
> >Can we not stop and revist this motto that appears to lead us to a cul-de
> >sac?.The logic is if whence you do something you get the same flawed
> >results,you ought to change the methodology if you are to move forward
and
> >that is what I expect of all those intellectuals and elites from Mother
> >Uganda.
> >Thank you.
> >Kipenji.
>
>___________________________________________________________________________
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> >
> >Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >What is the population of Baganda? Just curious !
> >
> >Secondly, some of us were in Uganda and in luwero at the time, but
Museveni
> >was the minister of defense, can Ssenyange tell us what happened in
Uganda
> >under Museveni's watch? It is one of those questions which will never be
> >answered by our people who are enjoying the road map of peace, same as
they
> >say "Ffe kasita twebaka" yet they can not tell you who refused them to
> >sleep all along, just a name who refused Ugandans to sleep?
> >
> >Em
> >
> >Toronto
> >
> > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Y Yaobang
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 8:11 PM
> >Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's family secrets buried here\
> >
> >
> >
> >Ssenyange:
> >
> >You stated:
> >
> >"... the Baganda who lost the 500,000 relatives under Oyite's command.
..."
> >
> >This is a very serious statement and allegation. I would not be suprised
if
> >you ended up in court over this!!
> >
> >y
> >
> >
> > >From: "ssenya nyange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's family secrets buried here\
> > >Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:52:10 -0400
> > >
> > >
> > >Owor Kipenji,
> > >
> > > As I mentioned in my email posting that its not good to
> > >celebrate someone's death but Oyite's case was different. Just as
> > >many celebrated the death and fall of Hitler, especially those who
> > >had lost their beloved ones, so didd the Baganda who lost the
> > >500,000 relatives under Oyite's command.
> > >Buy ending his life, God answered the haunting blood of the dead and
> > >indeed Oyite died in the sky or on the soil of Luweero.How long did
> > >the UPC killing continue after Oyite's death? Less that 2 years. He
> > >was the rise and fall of UPC in the 80's. He was tainted with blood
> > >of 1/2 million innocent citizens. If his death was seen as the road
> > >map to stop the massacres in Buganda, why not celebrate the road map
> > >victory, just because it saved another million if the UPC was to
> > >continue ruling for another 5 years.
> > >
> > >Ssenyange
> > >
> > >---------------------------------------
> > >
> > >>From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's family secrets buried here\
> > >>Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:04:44 +0100 (BST)
> > >>
> > >>What Mshemiwa Ssenyange is describing is typical of the tools
> > >>many who have be outsmarted resort to i.e wait for the course of
> > >>nature to rescue them from their own failings.
> > >>Death is the only democratic process that exists in Life and hence
> > >>Nobody including the Ssenyanges and their ilk of this world will
> > >>somehow circumvent it.
> > >>Rejoicing at anyones' death friend or foe epitomizes the level of
> > >>ignorance that surrounds that person.
> > >>Mr Ssenyange,one of these days if you have time,read that
> > >>book"Jesus
> > >>Christus unser Schiksaal(Jesus Christ our Destiny) by Wilheim Busch
> > >>and therein you will come of age to understand why today,unlike
> > >>then the Jews behave collectively in grieving the death of even the
> > >>least of their members.
> > >>Thank you.
> > >>Kipenji.
> >
>>__________________________________________________________________________
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> > >>
> > >>gook makanga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>Ssenyange,
> > >>
> > >>The celebrations were in Nairobi? Dont you find that strange? Why
> > >>in Nairobi when the Mood in Kla was of saddness? I was in Kla then
> > >>and i could also show you a pic. of a crowd of Ugandans in
> > >>mourning.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Gook
> > >>
> > >>"Rang guthe agithi marapu!" A karamonjong word of wisdom
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>----Original Message Follows----
> > >>From: "ssenya nyange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's family secrets buried here\
> > >>Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:31:15 -0400
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>The auther doesnt know how majority people celebrated, boosed and
> > >>danced upon the news of Oyite's death. At that time I was in
> > >>Nairobi and I wish I could show you some of the pictures of
> > >>celebrants in a big public place. Its not good to celebrating
> > >>someones death but Oyite's case was very different. It was like the
> > >>Jews celebrating the death of Hitler. The celebration paid off 2
> > >>years later.
> > >>
> > >>J. Ssenyange
> > >>---------------------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >From: "gook makanga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >> >Subject: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's family secrets buried here
> > >> >Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 18:27: 53 +0000
> > >> >
> > >>
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