netters:
We know exactly were our dear professor is coming from. Like I have stated , Ayiitey is an Imperalist stooge. Indeed we know that he is very much aware of the imperalist role in distablizing countries ranging from DRC Congo, Mozambique, Angola, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Agentina, Chile, Egypt to note but a few. Ayittey , is to act as a loop dog to defend the Imperalist cause. He is the front man, so to say, charged with the responsibility to influence minds of Africans ...sort of like RADIO FREE EUROPE or is it RADIO LIBERTY in Bosnia ..or RADIO FREEDOM in Iraq
Matek
James Ololo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
James Ololo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi George,
Do not be surprised to see George Bush dining with
Sadam Hussein. When you mention all these African
crooks, you cannot completely de-link them from Europe
and US.
If you are a soccer fan, look at this. Great Britain
is not a FIFA or world Cup member. But during the
finals, you see England, Scotland and Wales. Haha!
How do you explain this country having three teams in
the World cup finals while until recently there was
only one or two African teams?
George Wake up.
Even during the times of international embargo, there
was constant negotiations with Libya. Of course only
among themselves and the country in question.
Wake up George!
The west were arming Sadam Hussein, even to the break
of Operation Desert Storm in 1991. (How is this
possible?)
Who was funding the Sandinista i n Nicaragua when The
US was fighting Daniel Ortega? and how did Oliver
North get in trouble
Are you still there George?
MAYBE WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE WEST IS. ONE THING I
KNOW IS THAT IT HAS MANY FACES AND COMES IN DIFFERENT
SIZES AND MANY COLORS.
All these tyrants you mention used guns manufactured
outside Africa. How?
George,
Today you're really not at your best.
-James
--- "George B.N. Ayittey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Matek,
>
> What you wrote below sinks beneath naivete. You are
> stuck in a time
> warp, regurgitating OLD CANARDS that are of little
> relevance today and
> betray fundamental ignorance of African reality.
>
> You write AS IF Congo is the ONLY African country
> where the people were
> subjugated or oppressed and that oppression would
> not have been possible
> without the support of the CIA . This statement of
> yours carries the
> implication that apart from Congo, ALL other African
> countries have been
> FREE. Such nonsense.
>
> For your information, in 1990, only 4 out of the 54
> African countries
> were democratic. Today, the number is a paltry 16.
> Political tyranny is
> still the order of the day in the vast majority of
> the African
> countries. Your statement seems to suggest that the
> CIA, because of its
> support for Mobutu, is behind all this oppression.
> Such nonsense.
>
> Tell us who supported:
>
> 1. Mengistu of Ethiopia,
> 2. Siad Barre of Somalia,
> 3. Sani Abacha of NIgeria,
> 4. Mattieu Kerekou of Benin,
> 5. Ghaddafi of Libya,
> 6. Idi Amin of Uganda,
> 7. Mugabe of Zimbabwe,
> 8, Beshir of Sudan,
> 9. Taya of Mauritania,
>
> and on and on and on.
>
> To co me and tell us that the CIA alone is behind the
> oppression of
> Africans is, to say the least, RIDICULOUS.
>
> George Ayittey,
> Washington, DC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Msjoe and netters:
> Africans at home and in the Diaspora know of the
> CIA's support of
> Dictator Mobutu Ssese Seko.kuku Wazabanga.....a
> support without which
> the total and complete subjugation of the Congolese
> people would have
> been impossible. The statistics presented by
> nyatsimba below , is but
> a known fact to many of us Africans. ..of course
> Washington now
> dismisses it's support of Mobutu with a waive of the
> hand , while
> arguing that the support was neccessary because
> Washington was engaged
> in a "cold war" rivary between n
> the "west" and the communist "east" ..and that
> Mobutu was an allie in
> the cold war. Mention is not made of
> the fact that man many Africans died under Mobutu
> reign of terror. It is
> suprising that no congolese has
> directly held the US accountable for the suffering
> of Congolese
> citizens under Mobutu. One would think
> that some smart Congolese could have should have
> taken the US governemnt
> to the courts..if I may say so!!
> Peace!!
> Matek
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hello Ms Pat:
>
> Good evening from Eastern Standard Time. I am
> very much interested
> in your inquiry, if you know the answer. To
> facilitate, we
> can exchange notes on what happened after
> independence as we come
> by them. Can you please click the reference below
> Nyatsimba's email? Please, do not forget to
> come back on when it
> happened and if those Africans stood a chance to get
> rid of
> Mobutu who was ably fortified by?????
>
> As I said, my request is simple - just
> reasonable analyses based on
> the known. You can add practicalities to
> reasonableness.
>
> Thanks.
>
> MsJoe
>
> In a message dated 3/15/2005 5:14:24 P.M.
> Eastern Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> Interesting article:
>
> "In recent years U.S. policy has stressed
> the need for good
> governance in Africa. Most Africans view this as a
> supreme irony given Washington’s
> quarter-century of active
> support for Africa’s most notorious and
> antidemocratic ruling crook, Mobutu.
> Between 1962 and 1991, the
> U.S. directly supported Mobutu (with close to
> $150 million in CIA bribes and secret
> payments) and his
> government (with more than $1.03 billion in
> development
> aid and $227.4 million in military
> assistance). It even
> provided transport for foreign troops used to
> suppress
> anti-Mobutu rebellions in 1977 and 1978.
>
> The U.S. also helped funnel World Bank
> loans and IMF credits to
> Mobutu’s government, even though internal
> documents reveal that these agencies knew
> in advance the money
> was likely to be stolen and the loans unlikely to
> be repaid. Mobutu used IMF and World Bank
> loans to repay
> Zaire’s private creditors, thereby transforming
> private debt into public debt now amounting
> to almost $14
> billion.
>
> Mobutu reciprocated by providing bases and
> supply routes for
> UNITA rebels and by backing the U.S. in various
> arenas. For instance, as chair of the UN
> Security Council in
> the months immediately prior to the Gulf War, Zaire
> was
> crucial in rallying support for the
> U.S.-led military
> operation."
>
>
> http://www.fpif.org/briefs/vol2/v2n37cz_body.html
>
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hello Pat:
>
> Happy Spring Century.
>
> There is functional independence and
> nominal independence.
> Yes, African gained nominal
> independence. Go to the books and read
> that. Pat, can you
> explain why colonial masters saw it
> necessary to be fomenting coup d'etats
> after post-colonial
> Africa? Do me a favor. I have lost my copy
> on Belgian's complicity in Lumumba's
> death. Do you have a
> copy?
>
> Be cautioned, I am not into white man
> versus black man and
> other conspiracies. I just need facts and
> reasonable analyses based on the known.
> Who is the new
> oppressor? Of course we cannot let current
> African leaders off the hook if they
> fail to uplift. But I
> still want you to tell whether the old debauchers
> actually left.
>
> MsJoe
>
> In a message dated 3/15/2005 2:30:08
> P.M. Eastern
>
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