Mulindwa
The word Panda Gari means 'climb the truck'. as a result Panda Gari NEVER
took one person at a go. The arrest of Okuku could not have been Panda Gari
because they did not arrest over 50 people at the malwa place he was in.
Another thing is NOBODY was ever released after climbing the GARI
So whatever happened to Okuku was NOT panda gar,i it was an arrest/abduction .
The Panda Gari was started by Obote and more than 50-60 humans would be
loaded on a big truck NEVER to be seen again. These exercises would start at
6am in all the Kampala surburbs and a lot of early risers including school kids
perished.
Get your facts in order man.
Nume
Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Simon Nume
I can not post what can not be verified for these are maters we are
discussing in public and many Ugandans were at a time in Uganda. That is why I
have a problem stating that Panda Gari was started in Uganda by Obote.
Let me add too that if you remember correctly what happened at that time, you
will remember that the Museveni's were using Panda Gali to arrest every one and
at no questions asked, in the very many prominent Ugandans that were arrested
during that Panda Gari was the Kampala District Chief Magistrate John Okuku,
who was picked up from a Malwa in Katwe. Okuku was dumped into Luzira and later
released after they had realized that he was the Kampala CM. And I can give you
other prominent names that were arrested before the elections of 1980 during
the same Panda gari.
Let me add too that after the elections, the Obote government stopped the
Panda Gari and all road blocks were removed, until when Museveni started to
kill the people in Luwero District. And it is was that returning of Panda gari
that I asked why Obote allowed, but he never started it in Uganda. Now you
might have not been following what was happening in Uganda until after
elections and that is clearly understandable.
That is why there is no single person I know who knew Museveni's history in
Uganda's journey of survival that has ever stated that Ffe Kasita Twebaka for
that individual must have known Museveni's actions before even Obote left
Tanzania.
Em
Toronto
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----- Original Message -----
From: Simon Nume
To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] UPDF flee war front,500 arrested in 'Panda Gari'
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Mulindwa THAT was YOUR Panda Gari. Mine was different, and lets not even go
there.
Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Simon Nume
Panda Gari was started in Uganda in mid 1979 after President Lule was
deposed. When President Binayisa came to power and Museveni was a minister of
defense, Museveni authorized Panda Gali to start, in fact if you were in
Kampala as you claim, try to remember when we had a white Leyland bus from
Kireka barracks that was terrorizing people in Kampala, that bus was under
direct command of Museveni. It was the same Museveni that came and shot into
the masses at city square during Twagala Lule oba Kufa tufe. Those were the
UNLF days. And that Panda Gali continued on as Museveni was terrorizing the
people using his FRONASA/Rwandese people until when Binayisa announced the
transferring of David Oyite Ojoke to Nigeria. Panda Gali stayed into Uganda
until when we had an election which brought Obote to power. And yes he found
Panda Gali in function and he did not remove it after the election. Let us keep
these issues into perspective.
We need a commission of inquirely for our people are way forget full.
Em
Toronto
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"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
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----- Original Message -----
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To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] UPDF flee war front,500 arrested in 'Panda Gari'
Operation
Mulindwa
Get your facts in order. Panda Gari started in Kla when M7 went to the bush.
The people who were arrested and killed were accused of being M7's supporters.
Obote was in Uganda then.
I lost enough people then and know when it happened.
Nume
Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Simon Nume
We are discussing whether Obote started Panda Gari as you stated. Secondly it
is interesting that now you are stating that the people who got lost lives in
Panda Gari lost it under Obote 2, now let me ask what was Panda Gari when it
was introduced by Yoweri Museveni as a minister of defense in Uganda when Obote
was still in Tanzania?
Em
Toronto
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Groupe de communication Mulindwas
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----- Original Message -----
From: Simon Nume
To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] UPDF flee war front,500 arrested in 'Panda Gari'
Operation
Mulindwa
I understand from those who have met you that you are no youth and you are
YEARS older than me.
So dont go into the age thing as you yourself may be pensioned off.
Your urguments abount Pand aGrai are strange. Peole who disappeared under
Panda Gari died under Obote 2 's watch.
You may have more finite details but for those who lost people every morning,
it was Obote Obote and nobody else
Now if you have Bwiino.....
Nume
Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Simon Nume
You see that is the kind of lie I really refuse to stomach, Panda Gali came
to Uganda when Obote was in Tanzania, Panda Gali was started by the Museveni's
before Obote stepped into Bushenyi, in fact if you followed Uganda issues there
was an argument blaming Obote for not stopping it when he was elected into
government. That is the fact. Now today you are taking us to be little kids
that were not in Uganda, and who were not following Uganda issues. How did
Obote start Panda Gali in Uganda when we had it as he was in Tanzania? Nume you
have every right to hate the man but stop peddling such lies.
You know and that is what makes me really pissed for now Obote started Panda
Gali in Uganda has become an accepted lie as Obote poisoned Mutesa. We need to
start to grow up men and start with new ideas, ideas by young people which will
make Buganda face this century. For one wonders why Kasangwawo today has old
crap like Mulira to back his argument. Doesn't Buganda produce any youths? Do
we still have to listen to the Mulira's and Mayanja Nkangi's? What knew idea do
they have at that age?
But you see with thinking like Nume's Senior citizens can run Buganda to
their grave/s.
Em
Toronto
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----- Original Message -----
From: Simon Nume
To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] UPDF flee war front,500 arrested in 'Panda Gari'
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Mulindwa
I fail to understand your point. Obote brought Panda Gari and now its being
done in Gulu.
The point here is that a killing method once used in Kampala is being used in
Gulu twenty years later.
Whose fault is this ? Kansangwawo ??
Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kasangwawo
Munange ojjukira omusajja oli Obote omu Northerner eyaleeta Panda Gali e
Uganda? Kale kirungi twamuwona munange.
Em
Toronto
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UPDF flee war front, 500 arrested in 'Panda Gari' Operation
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Aswa Times correspondent in Gulu
UPDF soldiers caught in action fleeing from battle front wit LRA
in Northern Uganda.
ABOUT 500 soldiers, UPDF deserters and civilians were arrested in a night
Panda Gari on Independence Day in Gulu town. The UPDF, police and Local
Councils carried out the operation that started at around 3am and ended at
7:30am on Tuesday.
Two SMG guns and several rounds of ammunitions were recovered in the early
morning joint operation.
Soldiers and idlers that included drunkards and newspaper vendors were
arrested. The northern Regional Army Spokesman, Lt. Chris Magezi, yesterday
confirmed that hundreds of UPDF soldiers, deserters and idlers were arrested on
Monday in a joint mop up operation.
The screening is still going on. So far, we have managed to get dozens of
UPDF soldiers whom we have detained at our cells. We have handed the civilians
to the police, he said.
Magezi said the UPDF deserters would appear before the army court this week on
charges of dissertation and Away without official leave (AWOL).
Gulu District Police Commander, Mr Yasiin Ndimwibo, said only five civilians
had be handed to the police by press time.
The operation followed concerns by Gulu Municipal authorities that there was
high crime rate in the town suburbs.
It is not uncommon that hundreds of UPDF soldiers flee the battle front with
LRA and take refugee in town and particularly in the slums in civilian dressing
and in the night they commit lots of atrocities on the civilians, which the
military swiftly blames on LRA rebels. It is this flight from the war front
which created the Ghost Soldiers Scandal (GSS) in which UPDF officers made
millions of Shillings paying ghost soldiers. A number of senior military
officers whose personal loyalty to President Museveni was questionable have
been court martial, while his sycophants have been forgiven. [ENDS]
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