Edward Pojim
“US doesn't need to be a member of the ICC in order for it shun ICC-indictees.
Moreover, where its serves its interest, US wll eagerly enforce ICC mandates,
whenever asked.”
There is a danger in the kind of reasoning, you see when you make such a
statement you leave yourself boxed with no plan B. In simple terms. You follow
this sentence with another quote “Moreover, where its serves its interest, US
wll eagerly enforce ICC mandates, whenever asked. “ end quote.
Read those two sections with a pose in the middle of them, then consider a time
when Yoweri Museveni is thrown out of power in 2017 and he takes refugee into
United States, will the administration hand him over to Hague? If the next
government in Uganda demands that the administration hands him to Hague will
they comply? Suppose Uhuru Kenyatta becomes a refugee into United States today,
will president Obama protect him the way he protects Museveni?
May be non-members of ICC should simply butt out.
EM
On the 49th
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
From: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of edward pojim
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 12:09 AM
To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [UAH] Kipenji // THE LATEST KENYAN NEWS: With Or Without Obama,
Tanzania Still Trails Us
Dr. Kipenji,
Those are strong, crude language but still devoid of substance.
Obama's mother needn't take him to Kogelo for Obama to have a Luo heritage. I
think it should be beneath you to stoop this low in insulting not only George
Okello here, but even President Obama.
The pesident gave a legally lucid reason for not including Kenya in his recent
trip to Africa. He said that an American president could not visit Kenya at
this time when its leaders have some issues to sort out with the international
community.
Jilted Kenyans initially put up a brave face, arguing that Obama's decision to
slip Kenya did not bother them. Then, as the embarrassment grew thicker with
each day as the visit approached, the Kenyans started downplaying the role
Tanzania plays in the region, and even saw TZ as being unable to capitalize on
Obama's visit on improve their own economy!
This reminds of the fable of a hyena that could not climb a mango tree to rach
some ripe mangoes. To console himself about his situation, the hyena says, "Not
big deal. After all, I wasn't that hungry in the place!"
US doesn't need to be a member of the ICC in order for it shun ICC-indictees.
Moreover, where its serves its interest, US wll eagerly enforce ICC mandates,
whenever asked.
I don't speak for George Okello, but I have, on a few ocassions here, counseled
other contributors to the fact that Obama is neither a Kenyan nor an African,
and should not be expected to have Africa as a policy priority. He's an
American and must look out for America's interest.
The president and deputy president of Kenya will have their day in court. And
they probably will come out clean. But to dwnplay the gravity of the charges
against these two by way of critizicing US, or president Obama, is to misplace
one's intellectual resources.
Pojim
From: Owor Kipenji <kipenji5...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com" <ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [UAH] THE LATEST KENYAN NEWS: With Or Without Obama, Tanzania
Still Trails Us
Mr Okello Ochwa:
I am surprised that you believe what this bastard you call Obama did is right.
First the US is not party to the ICC protocol so how can it be the ICC enforcer?
Secondly,true to his bastard nature,he has proven to the likes of you who hero
worship
him that he has no social roots worth talking about even though you still claim
he is a Jaluo.
Incidentally,did his late mother ever take him to Kogelo in Nyanza or is Kogelo
somewhere
in Indonesia?
Better decolonize your mind of this intellectual idiocy you are propagating
then you will see
your hero Obama as a capitalist spittle not worth identifying with in every
issue serious human beings
engage in.Apostates are just that and Obama is an Apostate exemplar!
Kipenji
From: George Okello <opal...@gmail.com>
To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, 5 July 2013, 11:08
Subject: Re: [UAH] THE LATEST KENYAN NEWS: With Or Without Obama, Tanzania
Still Trails Us
Mr Kaberia is obviously telling a joke. The real reason Obama skipped
Kenya is because of the crimes Uhuru Kenyatta is alleged to have
committed and for which he is wanted by the ICC. Mr Kennatta and his
land-grabbing cohort Ruto somehow thought they could become fugitives
from justice if they bribed Kenyans to make them President and
Vice-President, but they are now finding to their cost that that was
not going to be the case and in probability they will end up at the
Hague permanently. So why Obama go should Obama go anywhere near
notorious criminals, alleged to have committed some of the most
egregious crimes known to humankind?
George Okello
On 7/5/13, Ocen Nekyon <ocennek...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://kenyauptodate.blogspot.com/2013/07/with-or-without-obama-tanzania-still.html?m=0
>
>
> In an article mocking Kenyans published Tuesday by the Citizen of Tanzania,
> Mobhare Matinyi misrepresents the Kenyan psych, trivializes the trip and
> attempts to downplay the fact that Kenya remains the most important and
> strategic partner in the region. Matinyi’s article titled ‘Calm down
> Kenyans, Tanzania is flying’ epitomizes the disdain and fear Tanzanians in
> the Diaspora and at home have for Kenyans. The article reiterates cheap
> stereotypes and hardly touches on why Obama chose Tanzania over Kenya.
>
> Capitalizing on Kenya’s bane of tribalism, Matinyi fails to appreciate the
> fact that Tanzania has its own brand of tribalism. Regionalism and religious
> differences continue to dodge the country. The divide is so deep that the
> said “unity” is all but a sham.
>
> Obama gave very flimsy reasons for skipping Kenya. He inadvertently got
> himself dragged into Kenya’s tribal politics. Clearly, the choice of
> Tanzania had nothing to do with that country having the most conducive
> business, political, economic, democratic or strategic environment for
> America’s new found interest in investing in Africa. Tanzania lacks all of
> the above but because it was not “optimal” to visit Kenya at this time.
> Museveni led the anti-ICC crusade thus leaving Tanzania with no competition
> for the East African slot in Obama’s itinerary. Tanzania was clearly an
> afterthought following the results of Kenya’s elections. That a sitting and
> former US President were in Tanzania at the same time proves the challenges
> involved. This is highly unusual of American protocol and the fact that
> President Obama was forced to defend his own commitment to funding PEPFAR
> compared to Bush was a little awkward.
>
> President Obama must be lauded for having the courage to challenge China’s
> trade imbalance with Africa. The bold move by the US invokes memories of the
> 1885 scramble for Africa when Europeans sat in Brussels and subdivided the
> continent amongst themselves. This time around though the players are
> different. “Trade partnership”, not colonialism is the name of the game. The
> common denominator remains the same; African resources. Unlike 128 years
> ago, Africans now have an opportunity to dictate the terms of engagement
> with China, Brazil, India and now America. America is determined not to
> completely cede Africa to the Chinese and for the first time there is hope
> that Africa may benefit from its bounty.
>
> While Tanzania savors its fifteen minutes of fame, American strategists must
> be wondering whether sidelining Kenya was not a boneheaded move. Forget the
> ICC, the new push is about growing American business interests. Does
> Tanzania really have the capacity to play America’s blue-eyed boy in the
> region? Highly doubtful! The paradox is that America hopes to amalgamate
> the EAC trading block through the one member who has been a stumbling block
> to the integration of the EAC.
>
> Over the years Tanzania’s fear of Kenya has led to misinformed
> “protectionism.” It tried to frustrate integration of the common but Kenya
> and Uganda outwitted Tanzania by bringing in Burundi and Rwanda and in the
> process rendered Tanzania’s protestation inconsequential. Tanzania had held
> EAC at ransom with uncooperative demands while maintaining membership in
> SADC. While trying to improve the small port of Dar es salaam is good, the
> fact remains that Mombasa port is bigger and Lamu is poised to be even
> bigger and more modern. Thus the question; does the US really believe that
> America can penetrate the EAC’s market through a weak Tanzania”?
>
> America’s interests in East and Horn of Africa go beyond “trade” and PEPFAR.
> From the 2005 Naivasha accord that ended the fighting in Sudan, hosting the
> Somalia government in Nairobi and hundreds of thousands of refugees from
> Rwanda, Sudan and Somali at the Kakuma and Dadaab refugee camps to finally
> flushing Al-Shabab out of Kismayu, Kenya has been central in safeguarding
> regional and American interests in the area. Ethiopia, Rwanda and Uganda all
> contributed soldiers to AMISOM while Tanzania sat on the fence and waited
> for others to sow the seed only for them to come back and harvest. Tanzania
> has done nothing to fight terror and piracy in the Indian Ocean yet America
> seems to be embracing it as the regional shining light. Is this about
> geopolitical considerations or a skewed effort to validate Johnnie Carson’s
> “choices have consequences” quip?
>
> Finally, Tanzanians need to remember that unless they take full advantage of
> Obama’s goodwill, Kenya will happily jump in. Focusing on discussing Kenya
> with the Americans or anyone else does not help Tanzania in its efforts to
> move out of Kenya’s shadow.
>
> Kaberia is The Star newspaper’s Correspondent in Washington, DC. He comments
> on African politics
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