*The article states:-* *………..Tanzania has done nothing to fight terror and piracy in the Indian Ocean yet America seems to be embracing it as the regional shining light……. *
*But about 40 years ago, the masters of the underworld, the imperialists, the arms merchants, masters and owners of Banking etc… established massive cocaine Labs in South America. * *In the 1980’s Labs were also constructed in Mina, Arkansas, to mix cocaine with baking soda to make crack cocaine to make and expand the market and to supply the whole of North America. * *In tha same period other narcotics Labs were established in Afaghnistan.* *The opium from Afghanistan is now is rooted across the Indian Ocean through **Tanzania.** It is a continuation of this worldwide narcotics/arms/minerals/money laundering Empire. * *Wall Street, the City of London and the World’s movers and shakers are all involved in this narco/arms/money laundering. * *What hope is there that the State of Tanzania has not been infiltrated?* *Now here are some observations/questions:-* *1.** ** One hopes that Kikwete’s son has not become the newest world’s narcotics baron!* *2.** **In about five years Kikwete’s son has amassed an incredible amount of money. Is he a mere millionaire or a billionaire?* *3.** **When did Kikwete last travel to Singapore, and for what purpose? * *4.** **Does Kikwete know of any Tanzanian that has ever been busted for narcotics in Singapore?* *Folks, Singapore has a death penalty for narcotics. What would one have to promise or exchange with their leaders to stop an execution?* On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 2:38 AM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <mulin...@look.ca>wrote: > Edward Pojim**** > > ** ** > > “US doesn't need to be a member of the ICC in order for it shun > ICC-indictees. Moreover, where its serves its interest, US wll eagerly > enforce ICC mandates, whenever asked.”**** > > ** ** > > There is a danger in the kind of reasoning, you see when you make such a > statement you leave yourself boxed with no plan B. In simple terms. You > follow this sentence with another quote “Moreover, where its serves its > interest, US wll eagerly enforce ICC mandates, whenever asked. “ end > quote. **** > > ** ** > > Read those two sections with a pose in the middle of them, then consider a > time when Yoweri Museveni is thrown out of power in 2017 and he takes > refugee into United States, will the administration hand him over to Hague? > If the next government in Uganda demands that the administration hands him > to Hague will they comply? Suppose Uhuru Kenyatta becomes a refugee into > United States today, will president Obama protect him the way he protects > Museveni?**** > > ** ** > > May be non-members of ICC should simply butt out.**** > > ** ** > > EM > On the 49th**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Thé Mulindwas Communication Group > "With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy" > Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi > "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko" > **** > > ** ** > > *From:* ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com [mailto: > ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *edward pojim > *Sent:* Saturday, July 06, 2013 12:09 AM > *To:* ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [UAH] Kipenji // THE LATEST KENYAN NEWS: With Or Without > Obama, Tanzania Still Trails Us**** > > ** ** > > > > **** > > Dr. Kipenji,**** > > **** > > Those are strong, crude language but still devoid of substance. **** > > **** > > Obama's mother needn't take him to Kogelo for Obama to have a Luo > heritage. I think it should be beneath you to stoop this low in insulting > not only George Okello here, but even President Obama.**** > > **** > > The pesident gave a legally lucid reason for not including Kenya in his > recent trip to Africa. He said that an American president could not visit > Kenya at this time when its leaders have some issues to sort out with the > international community.**** > > **** > > Jilted Kenyans initially put up a brave face, arguing that Obama's > decision to slip Kenya did not bother them. Then, as the embarrassment grew > thicker with each day as the visit approached, the Kenyans started > downplaying the role Tanzania plays in the region, and even saw TZ as being > unable to capitalize on Obama's visit on improve their own economy!**** > > **** > > This reminds of the fable of a hyena that could not climb a mango tree to > rach some ripe mangoes. To console himself about his situation, the hyena > says, "Not big deal. After all, I wasn't that hungry in the place!"**** > > **** > > US doesn't need to be a member of the ICC in order for it shun > ICC-indictees. Moreover, where its serves its interest, US wll eagerly > enforce ICC mandates, whenever asked.**** > > **** > > I don't speak for George Okello, but I have, on a few ocassions here, > counseled other contributors to the fact that Obama is neither a Kenyan nor > an African, and should not be expected to have Africa as a policy priority. > He's an American and must look out for America's interest.**** > > **** > > The president and deputy president of Kenya will have their day in court. > And they probably will come out clean. But to dwnplay the gravity of the > charges against these two by way of critizicing US, or president Obama, is > to misplace one's intellectual resources.**** > > **** > > Pojim**** > > **** > > *From:* Owor Kipenji <kipenji5...@yahoo.co.uk> > *To:* "ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com" < > ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com> > *Sent:* Friday, July 5, 2013 8:20 PM > *Subject:* Re: [UAH] THE LATEST KENYAN NEWS: With Or Without Obama, > Tanzania Still Trails Us**** > > ** ** > > Mr Okello Ochwa:**** > > I am surprised that you believe what this bastard you call Obama did is > right.**** > > First the US is not party to the ICC protocol so how can it be the ICC > enforcer?**** > > Secondly,true to his bastard nature,he has proven to the likes of you who > hero worship**** > > him that he has no social roots worth talking about even though you still > claim he is a Jaluo.**** > > Incidentally,did his late mother ever take him to Kogelo in Nyanza or is > Kogelo somewhere**** > > in Indonesia?**** > > Better decolonize your mind of this intellectual idiocy you are > propagating then you will see **** > > your hero Obama as a capitalist spittle not worth identifying with in > every issue serious human beings**** > > engage in.Apostates are just that and Obama is an Apostate exemplar!**** > > Kipenji**** > > ** ** > > *From:* George Okello <opal...@gmail.com> > *To:* ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Friday, 5 July 2013, 11:08 > *Subject:* Re: [UAH] THE LATEST KENYAN NEWS: With Or Without Obama, > Tanzania Still Trails Us**** > > > Mr Kaberia is obviously telling a joke. The real reason Obama skipped > Kenya is because of the crimes Uhuru Kenyatta is alleged to have > committed and for which he is wanted by the ICC. Mr Kennatta and his > land-grabbing cohort Ruto somehow thought they could become fugitives > from justice if they bribed Kenyans to make them President and > Vice-President, but they are now finding to their cost that that was > not going to be the case and in probability they will end up at the > Hague permanently. So why Obama go should Obama go anywhere near > notorious criminals, alleged to have committed some of the most > egregious crimes known to humankind? > > George Okello > > On 7/5/13, Ocen Nekyon <ocennek...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > http://kenyauptodate.blogspot.com/2013/07/with-or-without-obama-tanzania-still.html?m=0 > > > > > > In an article mocking Kenyans published Tuesday by the Citizen of > Tanzania, > > Mobhare Matinyi misrepresents the Kenyan psych, trivializes the trip and > > attempts to downplay the fact that Kenya remains the most important and > > strategic partner in the region. Matinyi’s article titled ‘Calm down > > Kenyans, Tanzania is flying’ epitomizes the disdain and fear Tanzanians > in > > the Diaspora and at home have for Kenyans. The article reiterates cheap > > stereotypes and hardly touches on why Obama chose Tanzania over Kenya. > > > > Capitalizing on Kenya’s bane of tribalism, Matinyi fails to appreciate > the > > fact that Tanzania has its own brand of tribalism. Regionalism and > religious > > differences continue to dodge the country. The divide is so deep that the > > said “unity” is all but a sham. > > > > Obama gave very flimsy reasons for skipping Kenya. He inadvertently got > > himself dragged into Kenya’s tribal politics. Clearly, the choice of > > Tanzania had nothing to do with that country having the most conducive > > business, political, economic, democratic or strategic environment for > > America’s new found interest in investing in Africa. Tanzania lacks all > of > > the above but because it was not “optimal” to visit Kenya at this time. > > Museveni led the anti-ICC crusade thus leaving Tanzania with no > competition > > for the East African slot in Obama’s itinerary. Tanzania was clearly an > > afterthought following the results of Kenya’s elections. That a sitting > and > > former US President were in Tanzania at the same time proves the > challenges > > involved. This is highly unusual of American protocol and the fact that > > President Obama was forced to defend his own commitment to funding PEPFAR > > compared to Bush was a little awkward. > > > > President Obama must be lauded for having the courage to challenge > China’s > > trade imbalance with Africa. The bold move by the US invokes memories of > the > > 1885 scramble for Africa when Europeans sat in Brussels and subdivided > the > > continent amongst themselves. This time around though the players are > > different. “Trade partnership”, not colonialism is the name of the game. > The > > common denominator remains the same; African resources. Unlike 128 years > > ago, Africans now have an opportunity to dictate the terms of engagement > > with China, Brazil, India and now America. America is determined not to > > completely cede Africa to the Chinese and for the first time there is > hope > > that Africa may benefit from its bounty. > > > > While Tanzania savors its fifteen minutes of fame, American strategists > must > > be wondering whether sidelining Kenya was not a boneheaded move. Forget > the > > ICC, the new push is about growing American business interests. Does > > Tanzania really have the capacity to play America’s blue-eyed boy in the > > region? Highly doubtful! The paradox is that America hopes to amalgamate > > the EAC trading block through the one member who has been a stumbling > block > > to the integration of the EAC. > > > > Over the years Tanzania’s fear of Kenya has led to misinformed > > “protectionism.” It tried to frustrate integration of the common but > Kenya > > and Uganda outwitted Tanzania by bringing in Burundi and Rwanda and in > the > > process rendered Tanzania’s protestation inconsequential. Tanzania had > held > > EAC at ransom with uncooperative demands while maintaining membership in > > SADC. While trying to improve the small port of Dar es salaam is good, > the > > fact remains that Mombasa port is bigger and Lamu is poised to be even > > bigger and more modern. Thus the question; does the US really believe > that > > America can penetrate the EAC’s market through a weak Tanzania”? > > > > America’s interests in East and Horn of Africa go beyond “trade” and > PEPFAR. > > From the 2005 Naivasha accord that ended the fighting in Sudan, hosting > the > > Somalia government in Nairobi and hundreds of thousands of refugees from > > Rwanda, Sudan and Somali at the Kakuma and Dadaab refugee camps to > finally > > flushing Al-Shabab out of Kismayu, Kenya has been central in > safeguarding > > regional and American interests in the area. Ethiopia, Rwanda and Uganda > all > > contributed soldiers to AMISOM while Tanzania sat on the fence and waited > > for others to sow the seed only for them to come back and harvest. > Tanzania > > has done nothing to fight terror and piracy in the Indian Ocean yet > America > > seems to be embracing it as the regional shining light. Is this about > > geopolitical considerations or a skewed effort to validate Johnnie > Carson’s > > “choices have consequences” quip? > > > > Finally, Tanzanians need to remember that unless they take full > advantage of > > Obama’s goodwill, Kenya will happily jump in. Focusing on discussing > Kenya > > with the Americans or anyone else does not help Tanzania in its efforts > to > > move out of Kenya’s shadow. > > > > Kaberia is The Star newspaper’s Correspondent in Washington, DC. He > comments > > on African politics**** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3204/5968 - Release Date: 07/05/13* > *** > > _______________________________________________ > Ugandanet mailing list > Ugandanet@kym.net > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet > > UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > All Archives can be found at > http://www.mail-archive.com/ugandanet@kym.net/ > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including > attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. > --------------------------------------- > >
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