Ocen Nekyon
I have lived all my life under wars thanks to very bad political decisions made
by your parents, not my parents but yours. And when time arrives for writing my
memoir that will be the thesis. So although you were protected from the 1966
war I lived through it, although you were protected from the Luwero war I lived
through it loosing even my own father who was never a soldier. Don't dare
educate me what is war. What happened in West Nile was never a war. There was
never an army attacking UNLF let alone UNLA. That is why you cannot list a
single loss of life of a member of UNLA in West Nile for there was never a war
and there was never an opposing army. Uganda National Rescue Front had not been
created it got created for you went in and raped every one and murdered them.
So there was never UNRF at a time, the people in West Nile as all members of UA
expected an inclusion in building the future of their country and they sat
waiting for new instructions. What you did was to go to West Nile and murder un
armed civilians, that had never even been trained to fight. Ocen you murdered
students while in classes. Old women that were selling crops on streets. And
this is how silly you were, you see Museveni starts by creating an invisible
enemy then he kills you but you forgot even to create the invisible enemy sir.
Who exactly where you hunting down in West Nile than civilians sir? That is why
what happened in West Nile was never a war and we must not delude ourselves
that it was a war it was a genocide committed by Acholi's, pure and simple. The
people of West Nile died because they were born Alurs, Madis, Lugbaras and
Banubbi and that was a crime for they were a close tribe to Iddi Amin's tribe.
What the heck is considered the down town of Tororo?
Ge'ez !!!!!!
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
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Subject: Correction: {UAH} IDDI AMIN NEVER TARGETED LANGIs/ACHOLIs, THEY
TARGETED HIM {As a single document so far}
EM;
I asked you very simple questions: there is nothing complex about them.
The fact is you are making up stuff in order attain whatever your objectives
are trying to attain.
I see that some of your "friends" are starting to throw numbers as to what may
have happened in West Nile. I have always said that War does not discriminate,
so old,young innocent women and children become collateral damage.
That is fine with me but it leads to other questions;
1) Why don't you and your friends avail to us the reasons why war ended up
in West Nile. More specifically, please tell us the Uganda National Rescue
Front (UNRF). Was is not a couple of months ago when Hussein Amin, was telling
us that his Dad had almost two fully armed brigades based out of Easten Congo?
2) the numbers provided by Lado, seem to suggest that more people were killed
in West Nile than Luwero. I suspect some serious inflation is going on here!
When making such allegations it would help that one makes sense and understands
that you are dealing with some highly intelligent people on this forum.
Spewing stuff one can not verify is of no use to anyone in this discussion.
Ocen
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Ugandans
If you have been with me in these forums long, you will know that I am one of
the people that refuse to bunch people together due to political stupidity of
an individual. It is a very terrible thing to do and a very tribalistic thing
to do, and yet I cannot put Acholi's to that level of discussion. On record it
is only Acholi's I can camp together in such a discussion of Acholi's are
killers. And this is the reason, they themselves built that term they
implemented it and taught it to me. Let us go back where we are coming from,
all these people listed by Lado Luluja were killed and no one was left in West
Nile alive unless he or she crossed into Southern Sudan let alone DRC. But let
us back off, Acholi's had fought the war and won it, Iddi Amin who they are
detesting today had left the country, the man was in Libya then to Saudi
Arabia, Ocen Nekyon what was the value of targeting the population of West
Nile? Did the people of West Nile target villages in Acholi land and killed
Acholi's and Langis? Why did you go after them? Yes State research killed
people in Uganda but most of the officers I know of state research were
actually Rwandese and Baganda, but mainly the Amama Mbabazi's of today, if what
you wanted was to revenge why didn't you revenge by going after Rwandese and
Baganda? Yet you sucked up to them and handed them power in your very own
government.
Don't bother responding to the direct question, I will respond it for you. The
reason you targeted everyone in West Nile was because to you as Northerners
when Iddi Amin a single man becomes a bad leader to your judgment, every single
West Niler must be held responsible and must pay with their blood, whether they
are women, old men, children or animals. So to you everything North of Kigumba
was a mobile Iddi Amin and deserved to die.
If you can use that generalization so can I use the term all Acholi's in my
series and public discussion.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
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Mr Chaka Greetings to you please ,
The Luo's meaning especially the Acholis and including the Langi will never
agree that they targeted People from West Nile for the very reason that Amin
was from West Nile . But they did it as already reported and documented :
In October , 1980 , there was a planned and organised massacre of the Sudanic
people in the Weast Nile / Lado by the UNLA .This massacre operation was
commanded and supervised by the UNLA Chief of Staff , Brigadier David Oyite -
Ojok , in person . Over 1000 , 000 people ( men , women . children ) were
massacred in MA ' di - okollo , Vura , Ayivu , Ofudde , Maraca , Terego , Omogo
, Koboko , Aringa .
In January, 1981 , about 42 , 000 Sudanic people were massacred in East Ma ' di
by the Acholi Militia from Ktgum . At the same time , more people were being
killed in what was called " Comb Up " operations in places like Kubala in Omogo
, Aripea and Ocodri in Terego , Odravu and Lodonga in Aringa , Yivu and Tara in
Ofude , Ocoko and Ajia in Vura , Ariwa in Oi , Rhino - Camp or ( Buraland ) in
Ma ' di - Ogoko ) , --- etc --- .
There were also intermittent killings of the Sudanic people everywhere in the
West Nile / Lado from January , 1981 . Families ( husband , wife , children
were put in their houses and the houses were then set on fire . Churches were
packed with people and then set on fire . Anybody who tried to escape was short
dead by the UNLF and TPDF . The same thing happened to the Schools . For
example sixty ( 60 ) school s were burned alive at Mvara Senior Secondary
School .And then , there was the massacre at Ombaci Catholic Mission , where
the Staff of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees ( UNHCR ) and of
the International Commitee of Red Cross ( ICRC ) were reduced to watch
the Carnage as Spectators .
5 .11 OVERALL DESTRUCTION IN WEST NILE / LADO
5 . 11 . 1 . By the end of 1962 , the death toll of the Sudanic people
( i . e . the Lugbari , Ma ' di , Kakua , Ndu , Ke ' bu , Lendu , Logo
, -- etc --- ) in the East / Nile / Uganda and West Nile / Lado had
risen to over 200 , 000 men , women and chilldren . By the end of 1983
, this figure had risen to over 250 , 000 .
There was a general and a total destruction of buildings in West Nile / Lado ,
ranging from residential houses to hospitals and dispensaries , churches , and
mosques , schools , shops and markets , etc ----
Crops in stores / grannaries and in the fieds were burned into ashes . Farmland
was destroyed as a result of scorched earth military operations . Trees werea
also destroyed . The cotton ginneries at Rhino - Camp ( Bura Land ) and
Packwach were blown up and destroyed .
All domestic animals were killed to make feasts for the soldiers . Lizards and
rats were all killed in the the belief of the soldiers that the Sudanic people
were witches who easily change , configurate themselves into animals . Even the
famous remaining species of the White Rhinoceroses and the Elephants of the
West Nile / Lado fled to exile and taken refuge in some African Countries .
In the statement presented to the Second International Conference on Assistance
to Refugees in Africa ( ICARA II ) , in Geneva , Switzerland , July 9 - 11 ,
1984 , to request the international community for allocation of U . S . dollars
17 . 1 in respect of the West Nile / Lado , the Ugandan Government admitted
that its Armed forces had commited the destructions ( summarised under ( Cf .
United Nations General Assembly Document A / conf . 125 / 2 , 23 March , 1984 ,
pp . 187 - 206 .
What really do People like Ocen Nekyon and Luo Collabrates are reporting on
this forum , if only that Amin Killed the Acholis and Langis only and in Uganda
?
I hope they are not wasting their time only to talk of their Kins only instead
of facing our African Political Problems since Great Britain messed up the
Uganda ( East Nile ) and Lado ( West Nile ) Political Affairs which today has
brought out this disaster in all . Let the Luo's wake up to see the rightful
woods out of the trees please .
Lado
Lado
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Sab 1/11/14, 'chaka Jay' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
<ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com> ha scritto:
Oggetto: Re: {UAH} IDDI AMIN NEVER TARGETED LANGIs/ACHOLIs, THEY TARGETED HIM
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A: "ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com" <ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com>
Data: Sabato 1 novembre 2014, 16:47
Ocen:I
believe EM made a point and I do think that most of the
response to him has been emotional. So if Idi Amin killed
Acholis/Langis. How many did M7 killed? This is the very M7
you guys collaborated with. Since he took over power
hundredths of thousands of your fellow tribesman have been
dying. I believe strongly that more Acholis and Langis have
died during your collaborators rule than 8-years of Amins
rule.
It was a fact that the very Acholi soldiers target people from
West-Nile for the very reason that Amin came from that
region. What do you say about that? You guys always cry when
what happened during Amins time is mentioned but keep quite
at what is happened during Obote II and your
collaborators.-Chaka
On Saturday,
November 1, 2014 8:12 AM, Moses Ocen Nekyon
<musa...@gmail.com> wrote:
EM;
When you
write such a rambling and incoherent piece for all of us to
read, it is very important for you to
realize that there people who are directly or indirectly
affected by this attempt of misinformation.
At the very
least even a person as uncouth, obtuse and reactionary like
you has some standards to maintain when in the public
domain.
This is
pure nonsense you are indulging in and my reasons for saying
so are:
1) if
according to you based on AMO orders after the January 25th
1971; Acholi and Langi soldiers decided to
desert the Army enmass. Could you explain to us the
existence of those very Acholi and Langi Soldiers soldiers
in Mbarara and Moroto Barracks almost a year and a half
later after the September invasion attempt;
2)
If you state that prior to 1971 the Ugandan Army was
very disciplined, was it not made up of those
very Acholi and Langi Soldiers;
3)
So what happened to discipline within the ranks
after the two groups were largely eliminated from the
Uganda Army (UA)? Did it require the two ethnic groups
to exist for it to be maintained in the UA;
4) On
the advent of the Coup on January 25th 1971, parliament was
disbanded and came under Military rule. For some
"strange reason" according to you, it
(Parliament) kept enacting laws that allowed other
department heads other than those from the Customs
Depart to usurp the duties of a Customs
officer.
Feel free to avail to us that act of
parliament that sanctioned such a
practice.
There
are many people on this forum who have decided to
maintain their dignity by simply keeping quiet irrespective
of the fact of your blatant attempt to rewrite history. And
I wholly understand because the events of that period are to
painful to revisit.
Ocen
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Friends
In as much as our
national history gets buried under Iddi Amin
"mbu" he was a murderer and he
murdered so many Langi and Acholi, there has been and
continues to be a strong wind that took and continues to
take our common sense away so that we believe most of
those people killed or murdered were innocent and had
nothing to do with undermining the Amin regime. We tend to
forget and conveniently so, that it was Obote who fired the
first salvo that triggered events that followed through 1971
to 1979 and continues today. That single cable sent by
Obote from Singapore to have Amin arrested was so deadly
than any poison any Ugandan has ever come across since the
establishment of that country following the fight between
Baganda
and Banyoro over the lost counties as well as the first
arrival of Europeans on the dark
continent.
It looked as if prior to
that cable being delivered Obote had told Acholi and Langi
soldiers to desert the Army should the plan to arrest Amin
fails, which exactly it did as the two tribes left the army
amass as if Obote was the Uganda they were serving and
protecting and not the true post-colonial Uganda which
belonged to every Ugandan. It was the first time it came to
the attention of Ugandans that Acholi and Langi were the
most tribal minded Ugandans as they continue to exhibit the
same more than 40 years later since January 1971. When they
returned from Tanzania, like Baganda, the first word they
used in their language was "megwa" (byaffe) ours.
Immediate post Amin Uganda had two Ugandas one for the
Acholi and the other
for Baganda under Yusuf Lule, while Oyite a Langi was in
charge of the other Uganda for the two tribes. The rest of
Ugandans had no country they called theirs and were looted,
raped, humiliated, tortured and killed at will. When the
Acholi and Langi failed to control the mayhem they created
Baganda bolted out and joined Museveni to have them evicted
from Buganda forcing them to turn their anger against Obote
the man they had loved. Little did they know that, that was
their last call in Uganda's politics. They tried to
wiggle their way back through the Nairobi peace talks with
deadly consequences. Little did they know that Museveni who
had already expired was using that moment to re-organize to
give them a better beating. Beating, he did, forcing them to
turn to Lakwena for prayers. That was a disaster too. Kony
was of no use either, instead inviting more misery. Fred
Rugyema led the first charge and later handing over to Gen.
Sejjusa {Tinyefunza} who
had a sharper panga while Dr. Kiiza Kifeefe Besigye was
writing planning the policy that would cement Museveni's
rule and to ensure that Acholi who once believed Uganda
belonged to them were this time put in refugee camps,
disarmed and unable to rise up again against any governments
in Uganda like they did in the past. True to form, they have
become slaves not masters anymore.
Had they not
rejected Amin's government from the day it was born,
probably their fate in Uganda would be different today. But
they decided to make things difficult for Amin and his
regime and he had to play a catch up with them all the time.
Iddi Amin tried as a leader and as a commander of the armed
forces, so hard to work with the two but they staged all
barriers to make the government fail. A man like Abdallah
Anyuru that served as a Chairman
of The Uganda Public Commission, worked in that government
but publicly went after the government from at least the
last week of that January of 1971. Anyuru is a man that
never held a word secret about his opposition, Anyuru was
soliciting Acholi soldiers to murder people very publicly,
and yet he was left in a very powerful position for firing
him was feared to send a wave out there that the government
was anti Acholi/Langi, so he was left to stay as very many
other Acholis and Langis were. The earnest Acholi/Langi
versus Ugandans began on the very night of 25 January 1971,
the time President Milton Obote cabled from Singapore to
have Amin arrested. Whatever role Basil Bataringaya played
that night is yet to be known, but it turned out Obote
the hunter became the hunted. What Obote did not know, or
knew but did not understand was that , till January 26th
1971 the day after the coup, Uganda army was a very
disciplined one, an army that always said
yes "affende" to any instructions given to them
by their commander. The Malire Regiment by all means
listened to their commander Major General Iddi Amin and not
the Command-in-Chief who was away arguing with Sir Alex
Doughas-Home about Ian Smith's Unilateral Declaration of
Independence in Southern Rhodesia now Zimbabwe and obeyed
thus the successful coup as many other Uganda barracks
except Mubende. The rest of the UA population with the
exception of Acholi and Langi who thought they were special
welcomed the coup and moved on. But the two tribes decided
to leave Uganda amass and said Tanzania "enagawa”
Through Sudan and many times Kenya they abandoned
their own country, fled and got camped in Kigwa
Tabora, among the Sukuma tribe with whom they claimed they
shared a family tree through the Swezi dynasty. It is
important to note as well that even in Kigwa, Acholis
discriminated Langis and any other non-Acholi which was very
interesting for
many of those Acholis were crossed to Tanzania through
Sudan by Obote himself yet he was a Langi.
The so-called Acholi and
Langi elites never went to Kigwa but stayed in Dar-es-laam,
and regularly visited the camp to give hope telling the
refugees that , eating UNHCR posho was temporary, they
created organizations not only to undermine Amin's
government through sabotage of all kinds, but to remove him
from power completely was underway. The first attempt was
made in 1972 by mostly Acholi and Langi who had deserted the
military, not fired but deserted, saying they could
not be led by a Kakwa from Koboko, son of a peasant whose
mother was probably a witch. During the very botched
Mutukula invasion Museveni the perennial liar told the
invading forces that he had more than 10,000 men in Western
Uganda who would meet them half-way. Instead, it was Alex
Ojera then Uganda's
Minister of Information who was captured and later killed
by firing squad. As usual, son of Kaguta let everyone down
like he has done with the Baganda who not only surrendered
their women to be raped by the likes of Lt Col. John Ogoles,
but allowed their whole future King {SSabassajja Mutebi} to
become a murderer. The question here is, why didn't
Acholi commanders based at Simba Battalion Mbarara
acknowledge the coup and joined the rest to move on with
"One Uganda One People?". But chose instead to
join Obote who had already demonstrated that his way of
solving problem was through violence like what happened in
Nakulabye in 1964 and again in Luburi in 1966? Gwokto, you
are wondering whether buffoonery is genetic, possibly
transferred from Amin senior to Amin junior, is violence a
genetic thing among Acholi and Langi? Why is it that in
every violent action Acholis are the main characters and
actors? Could that be the reason you are not able to use
normal language than abusive one to counter Hussein's
postings? Suppose you and Hussein are taken to court of law
and you chose to self-represent, is that the way you would
defend yourself...You sure put education to shame with your
ghetto language sir. I am going to come back to that genetic
system but for now let us go right into the very meat of the
writing. Every government
from every country sets specific laws depending to the
situation it has in the country. In Ontario as an example,
by act of parliament Environmental officers are armed with
weapons that Toronto Police Officers do not carry, because
by virtue of the size of the province they are the law
enforcers up North, if a Bear gets out of hand, society
calls on environmental officers and if need be they so can
put her down. They own a right to arrest as
Police Officers do in the Toronto or southern area. With
that back ground, because Uganda is a land locked third
world country, parliament passed a law to empower specific
people that should have never needed such powers, and one of
such is The Chief Inspector of Uganda schools. Through the
act of parliament, the holder of that position, has a right
to import any container into the country without such being
opened and searched by customs officers. If a container
arrives at a border post, or at Entebbe airport, a Uganda
School Chief Inspector will walk to the Uganda customs
officer and demand the release of the container into Uganda
without breaking a seal off it, and the customs officer must
release such if the CSI has introduced him/herself as such.
And there is a very good reasoning at that, Uganda
examinations are mainly printed out of Uganda and come in by
road or by air, if they land at an entry post and a customs
officer opens them for
inspection, he can be a parent and he can tell his kids the
contents of such papers, you have already got a leak on your
hands. Examination documents are supposed to remain under a
seal and many times under a Police Escort and protection
till when the Chief School Inspector decides to open them.
That is how you fail to get a leak and that is why he/she
needs such powers.
With back ground
already given in part I, part II now deals with specific
issues. Let us for argument sheiks agree that President Iddi
Amin did hate Acholis and killed them in thousands over a
period of 8 years 1971-1979. It has been more than 30 years
since Amin left Uganda and thus stopped killing them. What
is surprising, despite Amin not only being absent in Uganda
but also dead, they are being killed this time by the
very person Yoweri
Museveni with whom they joined forces to fight Amin. To add
salt to injury they created their own killers Lakwena and
Kony. It would appear that they have been killed three times
more since Amin left and gave them the freedom they yearned
for close to a decade. The question becomes, if "Indeed
Amin was the hater and killer of Acholis, why is it that
they continue to die the very same way Amin killed them for
8 years?" Should we take it that Amin was never
overthrown in April 1979 and did not die in 2005 and is well
and alive continuing to hate and butcher Acholi of
Northern Uganda? To today in 2014 they continue to be the
tribe terrorized the most in Uganda, this government has
gone after them in earnest, it has not only killed them but
so camped them and for many many years, is Iddi Amin inside
The Movement too? If the answer to such question comes back
with a NO, Iddi Amin was removed in 1979 and died in 2005,
how do we answer and justify
the trouble they have and continue to have with not only
Museveni but with the rest of Ugandans. Is there something
naturally wrong with our Acholi brothers and sisters?
And if so, how do we help them overcome this handicap of
sheer violence, that is preventing them from behaving
naturally and accepting Uganda as it is, a country of
diversity which accommodates and allows multiculturalism?
And I am just asking !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
President Iddi Amin was
not a killer and if he did become one which indeed happened,
he was put into that position by Acholi who chose
immediately after the coup on January 25th 1971, that they
were not going to work with him and tried everything
possible to undermine him until they succeeded in April of
1979. They continued to undermine Amin despite the fact that
he respected but promoted many
of them such as Y Y Okot who did not want to define
themselves as Acholi but Ugandans after Independence which
was a natural thing to do. But as the say, "mtoto ya
nyoka ni nyoka tu" A snake is a snake regardless of its
age. Okot, like the rest of them eventually turned against
Amin putting Acholi tribal interest before Nationalism
turning the inspectorate of education which he headed into a
gun smuggling box and inlet. For that he paid with his
blood. And with time I will come back to that name of Y Y
Okot or Okot Y Y as he was called. They made life very
unbearable in the country, sections in army barracks like
Mbuya and Bugolobi reached a point of having sections where
soldiers are not allowed to take their weapons home for they
lived next to an Acholi family and they were stealing
weapons from other soldiers. Police HQ reached a point of
importing brand new kinds of pistols for high ranking
officers because high ranking officers that were Acholis
were stealing revolvers from officers in officers mess.
Forces in the country reached to hold new weapons that are
not in general supply so that stolen weapons can be easily
identified. They used stolen weapons to attack business
people, to attack prominent people and murder them, to
attack schools and kill students. And here is where it
became very bizarre, Acholis actually attack their own
institutions and villages in The North, to preach a sermon
that Iddi Amin was attacking them. It became the job of
Uganda government to protect Acholis from themselves. Men
like Opoka decided to ask for government protection because
his fellow Acholis wanted him dead as this would make
Amin’s government publicly attacked for it has
killed a prominent business Acholi. There was blood
everywhere, and it was caused by the very people that are
inside the very system. The reason why had so much deaths in
Kampala during Lule’s government was because
Museveni was on the head of the security in Kampala, so it
did not matter how much preparations Oyite Ojoke and team
did to protect Kampala, the enemy was from within, that is
what Acholis became during Iddi Amin’s government.
Teachers were killers, members of public service became
killers, students became killers, Police Prison and
army officers became killers, church leaders became killers,
and the rest of Uganda Army Uganda Police Uganda Prison and
The State Research Bureau kept on catching up on who has
killed people here and who has killed there and in as much
as the government had the best intelligence network out
there, the culprit 99% always ended up with an Acholi name.
The behavior and
character of Acholi can be define by the way they behaved on
their return to Uganda. Even though they were responsible
for the way Amin treated them, they took their anger on
innocent West Nilers and Nubians whom they wanted to wipe
out of Uganda. What many of you fail to realize is that
until Lukongwa temporarily took power, West Nile was 90%
empty as they feared the Acholi and fled to South Sudan and
North Eastern Congo. Gwokto proudly and arrogantly announced
here that they keep me worried and awake all night long. He
is absolutely right, who in their right mind does not fear
terrorists who Acholis are in Ugandan politics. Why
did Baganda come with the term "kasita twebaka
kutulo" It was because the terrorists were driven out
of Buganda Sir. Did Abbey not state here in Black and White
"The Luweero War was justified". Why do you think
he said that? It is because the killers deserve the same
treatment they so visited on others. Why do you think
the south visited brutality into camps? Simply put the
people were fade up with the terrorism visited into
the Luwero axis and wrongly decided to visit it The Acholi
land. That is why the Baganda say "kyenkola banange
sagala ba kinkole". For the first time I
have found out that there is an academic discipline called
"Abusecology" taught only to Acholi and mildly to
Langi as well. I do not make this statement lightly because
it is based on facts well displayed on UAH forum. The chief
architect of this discipline and the professor Emeritus
is Gwokto Peter L’kitgum. If one samples Gwokto's
posts, they will find out that 99% of his postings are
abusive and mostly related to my posting in particular. The
reason being that my postings are based on facts pointing
out matters that really happened dating back to Uganda's
independence in 1962. Because Gwokto and his co cannot
dispute these facts, the only way he can respond back is to
abuse, attempting to shut down a particular thread that is
discussing the abuse, killing, rape, looting etc. carried
out by Acholi in Uganda for more than 4 decades. By the way,
even though Gwokto is the principal of abuse on this forum,
there are other Acholi and Langi who do the same thing this
includes Ocen, Ocaya, George Okello who even openly
threatens to shoot and kill on site as if the previous
killings by Acholi were not enough.
Friends, I have no
intention of turning my series into an abusive one because
Ugandans have been abused long enough over the years
and are still being abused and this will continue way into
the future. This is because the so-called educated Acholi
who believe they own Uganda reason worse than the bayaye
they always blame for not attending school, the say way they
did and getting degrees even in abusecology. The reason I
have started this
series is that no one wants to be accountable for the crime
they have committed in Uganda other than talking about their
so-called academic qualifications which have contributed
nothing to the development of Uganda economically, socially,
politically and culturally. If we do not point out the
killings that were carried out by John Ogole now, another
John Ogole is being born who will do the same thing thinking
killing in Uganda is a profession and part of
development and advancement of civilization. You can
continue to abuse me, but this series is going to continue
and will reveal a lot about Acholi and their role in
undermining democracy, unity, peace and prosperity in Uganda
yesterday, today and possibly in the
future. The Amin’s government
was built to empower the people, it was
Mafuta Mingi, a right to you as a Ugandan irrespective of
your religion, your tribe, let alone point of birth have a
right to own a car, a business let alone property. There are
many reports that have been posted on cars that were taken
by government agencies and yes many were taken, but
there is not going to be a government with money and cars in
Uganda history than Amin’s government. Which raises a
question of why would a government agency take a car from
any one? And the answer was very simple, those specific cars
were arrested with weapons being brought into, or commuting
with in the country by Acholi’s, and many of those that
decided to work with them to sabotage the government. Other
cars were arrested by agencies when smuggling goods out of
Uganda especially coffee seeds, Bbogoya was a huge sale,
lumber and I can continue. In as much as Ugandans point at
the loss of essential commodities, it became a government
horror to supply things
into the Gulu Kitgum Lira area because the Acholi’s
were packing those very same goods and reselling them out of
the country. When State research or Uganda Police finds your
vehicle loaded with goods to cross the boarders of the
country, that vehicle was repossessed. If the government
arrested you in a car with weapons the car was repossessed.
There are millions of Ugandans that had cars in Amin’s
government, but no single soldier ever walked to a home and
stole a car at gun point. He simply did not even need it.
When The Acholi’s arrived into Uganda in 1979, Tanzania
came through by supplying the country with clothing material
and paraffin, All clothing material was sent specifically to
Northern Uganda and it was never sent to the rest of Uganda.
Acholi’s went to Northern Uganda, off flooded the
containers and loaded the cloth material on pickups drove it
to Kampala and resold it. They were literary stealing cloth
from their own people in
The North to make a quick money. The situation became so
bad that Paraffin stopped to sell in Tanzania on areas
bordering Uganda because Acholi’s were driving it back
into Tanzania and making money through currency
difference. Nyerere stopped to give Uganda paraffin
and the clothes. Friends this was never done by Amin for he
had left power, but it demonstrates the problem we have with
Acholi’s for they can even kill their own family to make a
point of laying a blame to a government. Amin’s government
was such a strong government for it endured all these
attacks and it endured all these sabotage plans that were
laid to it from the day it came to power in 1971 to when it
left power, because Acholi’s made it a prime directive to
go after it fairly or very un-fairly. What we have
demonstrated in this series so far is that we have no single
Acholi or Langi girl/woman that was ever raped, and there
was no single good Acholi or Langi citizen that
was ever arrested let alone killed by the
state.I need
to go deep into why politically Uganda has remained in a
mess dating back to 1966 till today. Why 1966 and not 1962
the year Uganda got independence? The answer to this
question may confuse those who selectively remember history
particularly that of Uganda.
On October 9 1962, Sir Edward Mutesa was sworn in as
Uganda's first President with Dr. Apollo Milton Obote
becoming Uganda's first Prime Minister with more
political power than the president. On that day October 9th
1962, Sir Edward Mutesa was as excited as the rest of
Ugandans were and nobody would have imagined that only 4
years later he would demand the Prime Minister to return
back to his village of Akokoro, or for that matter Northern
Uganda where the primitive people of pre and post-colonial
Uganda lived and still do according to Museveni now who
referred to Acholi as biological
substances. Both Mutesa and Museveni could be right, for
only primitive people declare war on modern army using
witchcraft as Lakwena did and followed by Kony misusing
God's Ten Commandments as a way of fighting a seasoned
killer like Museveni. Both Kony and Museveni broke all the
10 Commandments, the only difference is that Museveni has
been president of Uganda for 28 years using his brutality to
subdue the people while Kony shares forests, trees and
jungles with monkeys, snakes and mosquitoes and has been
listed as a wanted man, while Museveni despite his killing
spree in the Great Lakes still wonders the globe freely, but
only refuses to pay his bills when he visits Texas and is
welcomed back home in style, a style organized by no other
person than Todwong a man whose people Museveni has kept in
an internally closed place like cows, goats and pigs for two
decades.
Back to why 1966, this is the year Sir Edward Mutesa decided
to distort
Uganda's independence by attempting to annex Buganda
and wanting to return back to his Kingdom which for some
reasons began shining brighter than the whole Uganda he was
presiding over. Perhaps in the first four years he saw how
well Buganda, particularly Kampala was progressing, and he
said to himself, this could be turned into
"ebyaffe" (ours) if these primitive people went
back to their villages back North. Without thinking , Sir
Edward Mutesa declared war on the Republic of Uganda leading
Dr. Apollo Milton Obote to order Iddi Amin to go and bring
down Lubiri, and bring Sir Edward Mutesa to State House
Entebbe dead or alive. Mutesa thought he would use
"Gwanga Mujje" against a now "National Army
called UA (Uganda Army). That night both "Gwanga Mujje
and Mayembe" failed him. By sheer luck he was able to
escape, I think Kintu's spirit did not give up on him
that night. So, in 1966 Sir Edward Mutesa with his subject
the Baganda began the journey that
would eventually hand over Uganda to Rwandese under
Museveni's command more than 30 years later.
Historically, Baganda were the first people to bring modern
Uganda down, that is why 1966 matters in the history of the
country. It is however, important to point out that
even though Baganda wanted Northerners to return back North
and leave Buganda to the natives, they still welcomed a son
of Kakwa from the North when he got rid of a fellow
Northerner in 1971. In this case, one could argue that
Baganda lack self-respect and integrity even though they
talk a lot about "Ekitibwa or Empisa ye Gwanga".
The trouble Baganda started in 1966 gave the glory Uganda
got in 1962 away. That was Phase I of Uganda's trouble
call it sowing the seed that never germinates and fails to
bear any fruits.
Phase II began on January 25th 1971 the day Field Marshall
Iddi Amin Dada then Major General took over power. While
Baganda welcomed this change, Acholi and
Langi did not. Acholi and Langi decided that it was either
their way or the Highway. In the end, it was their way
starting with Owiny Kibul in Southern Sudan and ending with
Munduli in Tanzania where they assembled and trained
militarily before giving Amin the boot. While Museveni and
Acholi carried out massive killings of innocent Ugandans
during the 8 years Amin was in power, all the blame was
attributed to Amin and his State Research Bureau whose
members among others were Amama Mbabazi and his wife
Jackie. Acholi, Langi and Museveni terrorized Ugandans for 8
years pretending to be Amin, even though Amin did his fair
share of feeding the crocodiles in the Nile.
Some
respectable and prominent Acholis who were God fearing
during the day, but turned killers at night such as Bishop
Jonani Luwum died the same way they killed others, brutally.
Y.Y
Okoth who was supposed to put Uganda onto global map
academically when he was appointed Inspector General
of schools, decided that smuggling guns that could be used
to kill non-Acholis was more important than keeping academic
standards up. This was a man Iddi Amin had high regard for
even though he was an Acholi who hated him to the core. As I
have said many many times and will say it again, had Acholi
accepted Amin on January 25th 1971 instead of turning into
killers, something they have perfected over the years, we
would not be in such a mess we are in today. Forget the
1971-1979 Acholis created. If they had behaved in 1979 when
they returned from Tanzania, coming back with the same
arrogance and desire to kill, still Ugandans would have
welcomed them. But oh, did they kill! the people of Luweero
and West Nile are living witnesses to these marauders and
murderers. In summary, Acholi, Langi and Baganda did
not only kill Uganda but sold the
remains to Rwandese! Every government
from every country sets specific laws depending to the
situation it has in the country. In Ontario as an example,
by act of parliament Environmental officers are armed with
weapons that Toronto Police Officers do not carry, because
by virtue of the size of the province they are the law
enforcers up North, if a Bear gets out of hand, society
calls on environmental officers and if need be they so can
put it down. They own a right to arrest as Police Officers
do in the Toronto or southern area. With that back ground,
because Uganda is a land locked third world country,
parliament passed a law to empower specific people that
should have never needed such powers, and one of such people
is The Chief Inspector of Uganda schools. Through the act of
parliament, the holder of that position, has a
right to import any container into the country without such
being opened and searched by customs officers. If a
container arrives at a border post, or at Entebbe airport, a
Uganda School Chief Inspector will walk to the Uganda
customs officer and demand the release of the container into
Uganda without breaking a seal off it, and the customs
officer must release such if the CSI has introduced
him/herself as such. And there is a very good reasoning at
that, Uganda examinations are mainly printed out of Uganda
and come in by road or by air, if they land at an entry
point and a customs officer opens them for inspection, he
can be a parent and he can tell his kids the contents of
such papers, you have already got a leak on your hands.
Examination documents are supposed to remain under a seal
and many times under a Police Escort and protection till
when the Chief decides to open them. That is how you fail to
get a leak and that is why he/she needs such
powers. With that back ground,
let us fast track ourselves and go to a school in Busoga
called Busoga College Mwiiri, a college which many of
you Iddi Amin haters studied. Among the many headmasters of
Busoga College Mwiiri, was a Mr. Y Y Okot or Okot YY
as he was usually defined. Very smart articulate and well
educated man, but I emphasize, an Acholi as well. I have so
far failed to get a response to my clarification but I
believe that Okot Y Y was a great friend of Obote and a
classmate as well, and I stand to be very corrected on that
statement. He was seconded to Busoga College Mwiiri as a
headmaster by Obote. When Amin came to power, through
national building allowed Okot Y Y to become and remain the
Uganda Chief Inspector of Schools thus holding the above
stated powers. Okot Y Y was one of the very few
people with authority to import and clear any number of
containers into Uganda without being inspected at the
boarder entry. In as much as he held a very well-paying job,
Okot Y Y worked for the Ugandans in Tanzania to
undermine Uganda government, I know of at least three times
when he was approached and warned to stop his undermining
Uganda government yet Okot failed to do so. One very
memory time three buses of youth Acholi’s were arrested in
Northern Uganda heading into South Sudan, after thorough
investigation it was found out that they were
collected and organized by Okot Y Y to go and join their
fellow Acholi’s into Kigwa Tabora, they were returned back
to Northern Uganda and Okot was called in to be advised to
stop his clandestine activities. His phones were taped, his
office and home were tapped which he did not know, but he
was on several times listened to when advising Tanzania
contacts on how to sabotage the government.
In some way Iddi Amin became a victim of himself for he on
many times rejected any idea of arresting men like Okot Y Y,
preferring to keep an eye on them but leave them to work in
their jobs as appointed. Okot flew out many times in the
name of representing the ministry yet ended up in either UK
or United States where he had to find contacts of those in
Tanzania working to remove the
government. As fate will have it,
the church of Uganda had to celebrate its 100 years
anniversary in Uganda and it had to import a number of items
to be used in the function. The ministry of education had to
import examination materials for Senior six physics and
Chemistry practical’s as it so did every year. These
examinations usually needed specific equipment’s that were
never made in Uganda but imported in, and the very same
happened that
year. Okot Y Y arrived to the Malaba boarder and as usually
cleared them un inspected and headed into Kampala. One of
those containers was directly sent to Archbishop Jonan
Luwum’s residence for it contained some of the weapons
that were to be used to throw out the government. Okot Y Y
called Obura to a meeting and advised him on how the weapons
had arrived and he wondered if Obura can allocate them
police offices that are trained as sharp shooters, for they
had guns capable to shoot Amin at a long range. This was
important because they had failed to work out a plan
to kill Amin from a close point and they preferred to
assassinate him when he is at a long range. Even though
Obura reported the matter to the authorities, Okot Y Y
failed to realize that the moment you import a container
into the country un sealed, you become followed for the
authority to understand what you had imported. Okot was
arrested the day Luwum was arrested and the rest of
the 12 men were arrested because they each were involved
into plan to throw the government out of power. At this
point it is important to remind you that Luwum was killed in
February 1977 with the ministers yet the 12 were never
killed till about September for they were dragged to various
courts and found guilty thus sentenced to death. Had Jonan
Luwum and The two ministers been not sent to death that
night, they too would have been charged and would have been
found guilty for there was such an enormous evidence tied to
them and their activities. Fellow Ugandans, it reaches a
point of difficulty to defend Acholi’s and go after Iddi
Amin. They lived in Uganda for Amin refused to target them,
Amin gave agencies specific instructions that an Acholi has
every right to live as any other Ugandan, but if he decides
to go after the government that is the Acholi that has to be
targeted. They were targeted and many arrested but many
killed. Okot Y Y is an
exemplary example of how good Amin’s government was, the
fool had no right to be alive and in any country, and trust
me I have seen governments blowing up people for way lesser
offences than importing guns into country to blow up the
leader. At this point let me go
back to my very dear and close friend Gwokto’s call that
buffoonery is genetic, it is interesting that Okot Y Y a
well employed and well paid man but decided to fight the
government, lost and got killed by a firing squad like a
very little Rabbit, yet before he died he left a pregnant
wife who got him a son called also Okot Y Y. The young Okot
was never brought up by the father for he was dead, and he
never lived under Iddi Amin’s government. Actually the
life style of this kid was built under UNLF an organization
that was built by his own father at the
expense of his death. As Okot Y Y senior agreed to work
with Iddi Amin’s government but turned against it, Okot YY
the son also agreed to work with the Museveni government to
a level of becoming an LC-3 but Chairman of Namukora, and as
father as son also turned against the Museveni government by
building and supporting The Namukora Resistance. Museveni
attacked Namukora town and killed many of the resisters that
were in the town including Okot Y Y that was the local LC-3
chairman. Friends for argument sakes let me buy the argument
that Iddi Amin was a traitor and a dictator murdering
Acholi’s, thus Okot Y Y had a right to go after him, What
the heck did Museveni do to Okot Y Y the son when he had
accepted him, employed him, and accepted him into the NRM
Kraal as an LC3? When you are an LC3 chairman and
start to fight what are you fighting towards? And that has
been the Acholi weakness they start to fight and at the end
of the fight they
structure out why they held that war. If Amin did not
go after Acholi’s many of you today that were in Uganda
would have been dead for that is all they were doing, to
murder people so that Amin’s name gets bad
internationally. As I conclude it is
important for you to realize that when Okot Y Y was tied on
Kalitunsi and blown up, Iddi Amin’s government packed his
body and handed it to the family which transported it to
Mucwiini for the family burial. I have been at the burial
place of Okot Y Y, and my very simple question to him was
why did you decide to screw up Uganda a country that did no
harm to you? On the other hand when Museveni killed Okot Y Y
the son, he refused to hand him to the family for he dumped
him into a mass grave that to today, no single Acholi knows
exactly where the grave of Okot Y Y the
kid is located, for it simply does not exist.
Mesdames
et Messieurs,
Je te prie tous de
bien vouloir discuter
président Idi Amin
avec des faits que des
insinuations. In as much as we post a
whole whack of writings in these forums, there are postings
that so remain embedded in my mind that I can visualize on a
screen even when I am asleep. And I will raise the statement
that Omuhongo Abbey Ssemuwemba made that the death of
Luweorians was justified as a very typical example of such.
Yes that statement remains standing in my mind as if it was
stated today,
when it was actually made many moons ago. But to be fair
there are times that such a statement can be sold publicly,
and I am not here to be in Abbey’s mind, but since I was
pounding in the forum how many people died in my district,
one can state that given the situation we had in Uganda at a
time, we had to pull ourselves out of it by sacrificing
people. There are cases when we have cut a hand off an
individual to pull him out of a car before it explodes, it
does not mean that we hate the hand or we do not care about
it, but when we see that there is a cancer growing in a hand
or a leg and it is going to spread in the entire body, we
decapitate the hand off and more times that you care to
understand. Now I am limiting the discussion to what Abbey
saw and what he decided to have been done as a solution, I
am not going to go into what he got out of his prescription.
I hold responsible of the results to those that are able to
analyze the problem go
through the medication system and build the expected
results as myself which definitely Abbey failed to do. I
never held any expectation out of The Luwero war from get go
as I still do not to the day today.
What actually annoyed me
a great deal about Abbey’s statement is that it proved my
long time belief that many Ugandans actually do not hold a
single clue what kind of violence Acholi’s under John
Ogole depicted into Luwero. And no I am not here to state
that NRA was clean either, they were killers as well, but
when you consider a well-structured and organized brutality
being depicted on masses, when you ever get a time and come
face to face with an Acholi bolt for your very own dear
life. They are violent but they enjoy that violence. At this
point let me slow down here, for what I am going to raise
publically this
time around in this series, is the very first time it is
getting public. At this point of this very important
discussion about our country, we need to go inside
Gwokto’s crib and yank out a one man that is his very
personal friend. And the personal friend of Gwokto we are
going to yank out of his crib is named Francis Atanya. Now
Francis is a very close friend of Gwokto to a level that
they are drinking buddies. A former UNLA member that fought
in Luwero under John Ogole and an Acholi. And that is the
only detail I will release about the individual, for the
sole purpose of this discussion.
The day Abbey Ssemuwemba
made that statement in UAH, was barely 3 weeks to the exact
day, after I had a very traumatizing discussion with a
couple of Ugandans that sat with Francis. And as always when
Ugandans sit they discuss
Uganda affairs going from the history to current to
expectations, and in the middle of that discussion, Francis
Atanya with a glee on his face this is what he stated.
Luwero was fun man, we were there kicking ass. Then he was
asked what they did there and how can one define a state of
war as fun and kicking ass? He narrated very many atrocities
they did in Luwero, but he said and I directly quote “
When we would find a pregnant Muganda woman, we were cutting
out their babies and then screwing them” End quote. In
continuing, “ Have you ever screwed a woman with an open
stomach? It is fun man” As people puked from his
narration, this Acholi had absolutely no remorse and no care
about his revelations. And absolutely none. These are the
friends that owned guns, we lived with in Luwero, these are
the kinds of atrocities that the Muto Onno’s threw at our
people in Katikamu barracks, and these are the people that
targeted Iddi Amin’s government by
killing innocent people in the country to sell it as an
Amin’s brutality. Again I repeat myself this is a very
close friend of Gwokto and they have been friends for a very
long time. What else does Gwokto know that he has not told?
What else does this individual know that happened in Luwero
that he has not told? Now I am going back to my first
paragraph, does Abbey Ssemuwemba actually understand what
Acholi’s did in Luwero? Does he understand what The
Rwandese did in Luwero? When you add the violence that
Acholi’s and Rwandese did in Luwero is there any political
gain one can garner into the country to justify
such?
->
And I am just asking !!!!!!!!!! I have so many things I
can write about, I have no single reason parking on
Acholi’s, many are actually my very own dear friends, but
through that friendship, I have come to learn what kind of
people they are. Go to Northern Uganda and talk to Alurs
talk to Banubbi talk to Madis talk to those that were in
Ombachi let alone Arua, and sadly came face to face with
Acholi’s brutality, you will understand a very sad part of
them that you have never understood. They murder and they
murder with a glee. If you were in Kampala during the Lule
days I raise to you the Mpawo atalikaba bus and what it
delivered on a day to day basis every single night and every
single day. Many of the occupants of that bus were actually
Acholi’s from Kireka barracks commanded by a Chongwok
again an Acholi. Yes we so can keep quiet about these issues
but we have those that died in agony and the only people
that know them and how they died, are Francis
Atanya, Gwokto, Muto Onno, Ocen Nekyon and the single over
lapping statement they are using is “I remember
about 7 years ago meeting a fellow who was an
Intelligence officer with NRA in Luwero who told me a
horrifying story. Without saying much, the poor
souls in Luwero were pawns in a larger game for power.
–Ocen Nekyon“ End quote. Now let us remember that
Luwero is getting raised up here today for I raise it, but
we have a whole whack of dead people in West Nile that have
never been expanded on. And the Acholi’s that murdered
them are not only truly amongst ourselves today but they
revise such incidents with a glee on their faces, and this
is the very same brutality they did in Uganda when Iddi Amin
was in power, and at the end of the day they beat him to out
of power. May all that died in Uganda in such a barbaric way
under the hands of Acholi’s rest in
peace. This series is still
continuing. No we are not done yet ->
EMOn the 49th
Parallel Thé
Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza
Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa
Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza
Besigye, Uganda ni katika machafuko
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