The Importance Of The Cancellation Of South Stream

 * By * *Alexander Mercouris*

 December 03, 2014 "ICH <http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/>" - "The
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- - The reaction to the cancellation of the Sound Stream project has been a
wonder to behold and needs to be explained very carefully.

In order to understand what has happened it is first necessary to go back
to the way Russian-European relations were developing in the 1990s.

Briefly, at that period, the assumption was that Russia would become the
great supplier of energy and raw materials to Europe. This was the period
of Europe's great “rush for gas” as the Europeans looked forward to
unlimited and unending Russian supplies. It was the increase in the role of
Russian gas in the European energy mix which made it possible for Europe to
run down its coal industry and cut its carbon emissions and bully and
lecture everyone else to do the same.

However the Europeans did not envisage that Russia would just supply them
with energy. Rather they always supposed this energy would be extracted for
them in Russia by Western energy companies. This after all is the pattern
in most of the developing world. The EU calls this “energy security” - a
euphemism for the extraction of energy in other countries by its own
companies under its own control.

It never happened that way. Though the Russian oil industry was privatised
it mostly remained in Russian hands. After Putin came to power in 2000 the
trend towards privatisation in the oil industry was reversed. One of the
major reasons for western anger at the arrest of Khodorkovsky and the
closure of Yukos and the transfer of its assets to the state oil company
Rosneft was precisely because is reversed this trend of privatisation in
the oil industry.

In the gas industry the process of privatisation never really got started.
Gas export continued to be controlled by Gazprom, maintaining its position
as a state owned monopoly gas exporter. Since Putin came to power Gazprom’s
position as a state owned Russian monopoly has been made fully secure.

Much of the anger that exists in the west towards Putin can be explained by
European and western resentment at his refusal and that of the Russian
government to the break up of Russia's energy monopolies and to the
“opening up” (as it is euphemistically called) of the Russian energy
industry to the advantage of western companies. Many of the allegations of
corruption that are routinely made against Putin personally are intended to
insinuate that he opposes the “opening up” of the Russian energy industry
and the break up and privatisation of Gazprom and Rosneft because he has a
personal stake in them (in the case of Gazprom, that he is actually its
owner). If one examines in detail the specific allegations of corruption
made against Putin (as I have done) this quickly becomes obvious.

His agenda of forcing Russia to privatise and break up its energy
monopolies has never gone away. This is why Gazprom, despite the vital and
reliable service it provides to its European customers, comes in for so
much criticism. When Europeans complain about Europe's energy dependence
upon Russia, they express their resentment at having to buy gas from a
single Russian state owned company (Gazprom) as opposed to their own
western companies operating in Russia.

This resentment exists simultaneously with a belief, very entrenched in
Europe, that Russia is somehow dependent upon Europe as a customer for its
gas and as a supplier of finance and technology.

This combination of resentment and overconfidence is what lies behind the
repeated European attempts to legislate in Europe on energy questions in a
way that is intended to force Russia to “open up” its the energy industry
there.

The first attempt was the so-called Energy Charter, which Russia signed but
ultimately refused to ratify. The latest attempt is the EU's so-called
Third Energy Package.

This is presented as a development of EU anti-competition and anti-monopoly
law. In reality, as everyone knows, it is targeted at Gazprom, which is a
monopoly, though obviously not a European one.

This is the background to the conflict over South Stream. The EU
authorities have insisted that South Stream must comply with the Third
Energy Package even though the Third Energy Package came into existence
only after the outline agreements for South Stream had been already
reached.

Compliance with the Third Energy Package would have meant that though
Gazprom supplied the gas it could not own or control the pipeline through
which gas was supplied.

Were Gazprom to agree to this, it would acknowledge the EU’s authority over
its operations. It would in that case undoubtedly face down the line more
demands for more changes to its operating methods. Ultimately this would
lead to demands for changes in the structure of the energy industry in
Russia itself.

What has just happened is that the Russians have said no. Rather than
proceed with the project by submitting to European demands, which is what
the Europeans expected, the Russians have to everyone’s astonishment
instead pulled out of the whole project.

This decision was completely unexpected. As I write this, the air is of
full of angry complaints from south-eastern Europe that they were not
consulted or informed of this decision in advance. Several politicians in
south-eastern Europe (Bulgaria especially) are desperately clinging to the
idea that the Russian announcement is a bluff (it isn’t) and that the
project can still be saved. Since the Europeans cling to the belief that
the Russians have no alternative to them as a customer, they were unable to
anticipate and cannot now explain this decision.

Here it is important to explain why South Stream is important to the
countries of south-eastern Europe and to the European economy as a whole.

All the south eastern European economies are in bad shape. For these
countries South Stream was a vital investment and infrastructure project,
securing their energy future. Moreover the transit fees that it promised
would have been a major foreign currency earner.

For the EU, the essential point is that it depends on Russian gas. There
has been a vast amount of talk in Europe about seeking alternative
supplies. Progress in that direction had been to put it mildly small. Quite
simply alternative supplies do not exist in anything like the quantity
needed to replace the gas Europe gets from Russia.

There has been some brave talk of supplies of US liquefied natural gas
replacing gas supplied by pipeline from Russia. Not only is such US gas
inherently more expensive than Russian pipeline gas, hitting European
consumers hard and hurting European competitiveness. It is unlikely to be
available in anything like the necessary quantity. Quite apart from the
probable dampening effects of the recent oil price fall on the US shale
industry, on past record the US as a voracious consumer of energy will
consume most or all of the energy from shales it produces. It is unlikely
to be in a position to export much to Europe. The facilities to do this
anyway do not exist, and are unlikely to exist for some time if ever.

Other possible sources of gas are problematic to say the least. Production
of North Sea gas is falling. Imports of gas from north Africa and the
Arabian Gulf are unlikely to be available in anything like the necessary
quantity. Gas from Iran is not available for political reasons. Whilst that
might eventually change, the probability is when it does that the Iranians
(like the Russians) will decide to direct their energy flow eastwards,
towards India and China, rather than to Europe.

For obvious reasons of geography Russia is the logical and most economic
source of Europe’s gas. All alternatives come with economic and political
costs that make them in the end unattractive.

The EU's difficulties in finding alternative sources of gas were cruelly
exposed by the debacle of the so-called another Nabucco pipeline project to
bring Europe gas from the Caucasus and Central Asia. Though talked about
for years in the end it never got off the ground because it never made
economic sense.

Meanwhile, whilst Europe talks about diversifying its supplies, it is
Russia which is actually cutting the deals.

Russia has sealed a key deal with Iran to swap Iranian oil for Russian
industrial goods. Russia has also agreed to invest heavily in the Iranian
nuclear industry. If and when sanctions on Iran are lifted the Europeans
will find the Russians already there. Russia has just agreed a massive deal
to supply gas to Turkey (about which more below). Overshadowing these deals
are the two huge deals Russia has made this year to supply gas to China.

Russia's energy resources are enormous but they are not infinite. The
second deal done with China and the deal just done with Turkey redirect to
these two countries gas that had previously been earmarked for Europe. The
gas volumes involved in the Turkish deal almost exactly match those
previously intended for South Stream. The Turkish deal replaces South
Stream.

These deals show that Russia had made a strategic decision this year to
redirect its energy flow away from Europe. Though it will take time for the
full effect to become clear, the consequences of that for Europe are grim.
Europe is looking at a serious energy shortfall, which it will only be able
to make up by buying energy at a much higher price.

These Russian deals with China and Turkey have been criticised or even
ridiculed for providing Russia with a lower price for its gas than that
paid by Europe.

The actual difference in price is not as great as some allege. Such
criticism anyway overlooks the fact that price is only one part in a
business relationship.

By redirecting gas to China, Russia cements economic links with the country
that it now considers its key strategic ally and which has (or which soon
will have) the world’s biggest and fastest growing economy. By redirecting
gas to Turkey, Russia consolidates a burgeoning relationship with Turkey of
which it is now the biggest trading partner.

Turkey is a key potential ally for Russia, consolidating Russia's position
in the Caucasus and the Black Sea. It is also a country of 76 million
people with a $1.5 trillion rapidly growing economy, which over the last
two decades has become increasingly alienated and distanced from the EU and
the West.

By redirecting gas away from Europe, Russia by contrast leaves behind a
market for its gas which is economically stagnant and which (as the events
of this year have shown) is irremediably hostile. No one should be
surprised that Russia has given up on a relationship from which it gets
from its erstwhile partner an endless stream of threats and abuse, combined
with moralising lectures, political meddling and now sanctions. No
relationship, business or otherwise, can work that way and the one between
Russia and Europe is no exception.

I have said nothing about the Ukraine since in my opinion this has little
bearing on this issue.

South Stream was first conceived because of the Ukraine's continuous abuse
of its position as a transit state - something which is likely to continue.
It is important to say that this fact was acknowledged in Europe as much as
in Russia. It was because the Ukraine perennially abuses its position as a
transit state that the South Stream project had the grudging formal
endorsement of the EU. Basically, the EU needs to circumvent the Ukraine to
secure its energy supplies every bit as much as Russia wanted a route
around the Ukraine to avoid it.

The Ukraine’s friends in Washington and Brussels have never been happy
about this, and have constantly lobbied against South Stream.

The point is it was Russia which pulled the plug on South Stream when it
had the option of going ahead with it by accepting the Europeans’
conditions. In other words the Russians consider the problems posed by the
Ukraine as a transit state to be a lesser evil than the conditions the EU
was attaching to South Stream .

South Stream would take years to build and its cancellation therefore has
no bearing on the current Ukrainian crisis. The Russians decided they could
afford to cancel it is because they have decided Russia’s future is in
selling its energy to China and Turkey and other states in Asia (more gas
deals are pending with Korea and Japan and possibly also with Pakistan and
India) than to Europe. Given that this is so, for Russia South Stream has
lost its point. That is why in their characteristically direct way, rather
than accept the Europeans’ conditions, the Russians pulled the plug on it.

In doing so the Russians have called the Europeans’ bluff. So far from
Russia being dependent on Europe as its energy customer, it is Europe which
has antagonised, probably irreparably, its key economic partner and energy
supplier.

Before finishing I would however first say something about those who have
come out worst of all from this affair. These are the corrupt and
incompetent political pygmies who pretend to be the government of Bulgaria.
Had these people had a modicum of dignity and self respect they would have
told the EU Commission when it brought up the Third Energy Package to take
a running jump. If Bulgaria had made clear its intention to press ahead
with the South Stream project, there is no doubt it would have been built.
There would of course have been an almighty row within the EU as Bulgaria
openly flouted the Third Energy Package, but Bulgaria would have been
acting in its national interests and would have had within the EU no
shortage of friends. In the end it would have won through.

Instead, under pressure from individuals like Senator John McCain, the
Bulgarian leadership behaved like the provincial politicians they are, and
tried to run at the same time with both the EU hare and the Russian hounds.
The result of this imbecile policy is to offend Russia, Bulgaria's historic
ally, whilst ensuring that the Russian gas which might have flown to
Bulgaria and transformed the country, will instead flow to Turkey,
Bulgaria's historic enemy.

The Bulgarians are not the only ones to have acted in this craven fashion.
All the EU countries, even those with historic ties to Russia, have
supported the EU's various sanctions packages against Russia
notwithstanding the doubts they have expressed about the policy. Last year
Greece, another country with strong ties to Russia, pulled out of a deal to
sell its natural gas company to Gazprom because the EU disapproved of it,
even though it was Gazprom that offered the best price.

This points to a larger moral. Whenever the Russians act in the way they
have just done, the Europeans respond bafflement and anger, of which there
is plenty around at the moment. The EU politicians who make the decisions
that provoke these Russian actions seem to have this strange assumption
that whilst it is fine for the EU to sanction Russia as much as it wishes,
Russia will never do the same to the EU. When Russia does, there is
astonishment, accompanied always by a flood of mendacious commentary about
how Russia is behaving “aggressively” or “contrary to its interests” or has
“suffered a defeat”. None of this is true as the rage and recriminations
currently sweeping through the EU’s corridors (of which I am well informed)
bear witness.

In July the EU sought to cripple Russia’s oil industry by sanctioning the
export of oil drilling technology to Russia. That attempt will certainly
fail as Russia and the countries it trades with (including China and South
Korea) are certainly capable of producing this technology themselves.

By contrast through the deals it has made this year with China, Turkey and
Iran, Russia has dealt a devastating blow to the energy future of the EU. A
few years down the line Europeans will start to discover that moralising
and bluff comes with a price. Regardless, by cancelling South Stream,
Russia has imposed upon Europe the most effective of the sanctions we have
seen this year. .


See also -

 *Ukraine appoints three non-native ministers*
<http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/12/ukraine-appoints-three-non-native-ministers-20141221954454451.html>:
Government hastily grants citizenship to Lithuanian, Georgian and American
to enable them assume key cabinet positions.

 *Ukraine: US investment banker is the new finance minister*
<http://investmentwatchblog.com/ukraine-us-investment-banker-is-the-new-finance-minister/#ej4OZKrLOzB9Li1m.99>:
The American investment banker Natalia Jaresko got fast-tracked the
Ukrainian citizenship, so that the woman can become finance minister of
‘Jaz’ Yatsenyuk. She is also CEO of a US state financial investor. Prior to
her work in the financial sector she was an employee at the US Department
of State.





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 alexa *· 22 hours ago
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  Very nice article!
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  I would keep laughing at the way AmeriKa is using the EU and Ukraine to
fail against Russia again and again...but I feel that the Ukraine is in for
a lot more hurt in the coming months and might look back with grim
nostalgia at the way things were in 2013 before all of this happened. Poor
dumb bastards.
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 Gerry 1211 *· 21 hours ago
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  My hope is that the Europeans will eventually "get it", but I don't have
much hope.
Excellent article!!
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 NewYorker *· 20 hours ago
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  Excellent article. I read somewhere the contract to deliver gas through
the Ukraine to Europe will expire in two years. If this is true, I can bet
on this Friday's paycheck, Russia has already taken this into account when
the decision to cut the South Stream project was made. Putin plays a level
of politics that keeps everyone guessing. I can not wait to see the next
move.
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  It was a good project and rather than northen eu countries having to
subsidise the southern areas, it would have made them at least a bit more
self sufficient.
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  Ukrainians and others in the EU may very soon freeze their buns off.

Sanctions have hurt Russia to the tune of $100 billion.

Russia and China working together may have a SURPRISE for the war mongers.
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  The crass stupidity, the sheer idiocy of the EU, on top of their
arrogance, is mind-boggling. The Europeans have shot themselves in the foot
many a time, but this time they may have done a "bam" into their chest.
Fifty years from now, Eurozone will be about prosperous as sub-Saharan
Africa. Well done EU! Bravo NATO!!
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 RBHoughton *· 19 hours ago
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  Its a shame the Europeans have resorted to bluff in their foreign policy.
This emulates the US position that has been so destructive of western aims.
We play poker whilst Asia plays chess. It does not work out for us and
merely allows the hotheads in NATO to talk-up the prospects of WWIII.

This article overlooks the effect Russia's policy should have on the green
movement in Europe. The pipeline cancellation could well be the essential
thing that obliges commercially-minded EU politicians to finally recognise
their long-term interests are in energy self-sufficiency not hand-outs from
Exxon etc.
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  Well done Russia, I hope one day the European governments finally
understand the consequences of their pathetic subservience to Washington.
And if not the politicians then perhaps the citizens of Europe will
understand and rise up against their American overlords.
One thing not mentioned in the article is the strong possibility of Europe,
except Germany, to build more nuclear reactors to fill the energy
shortfall.
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 mike *· 16 hours ago
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  Now all attention will be focussed on Ukraine as the only route for
Russian gas. It will heighten tensions in that country as a front line
between EU and Russia as the stakes will be greater. Russians are reknowned
as great chess players and even if the odds are stacked against them they
will play with fierce intelligence to maximize their positional advantage.
Now when Germany sides with US policy in Ukraine it will know that the long
term consequences will be undermining its own energy security. I imagine
that Russia as a recent planned economy could more easily cope with
destabilization of economic and political relations than Germany could. We
will see.
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  In return for cutting this deal with Turkey will Turkey now stop using
its territory to attack Syria, Russia's strategic ally in the region?
Indeed, will Turkey become Russia's best new friend? I wonder if the
tensions in Ukraine and Syria will now get better or worse. It seems that
the USA's strategy of divide and conquer in Europe may be working, with
states like Bulgaria being increasingly dissatisfied with the EU
potentially threatening its breakup and relations between the EU and Russia
further strained along with the blocking of trade deals.
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  An excellent article! The grand chess-master has dealt a mortal blow to
the criminals controlling the EU-NATO-U.S.
The pig-brained meddling psychopathic war mongers running England-EU-NATO
and the U.S., while interfering in Russia's internal affairs, sovereignty
and her energy resources, have had their tails snipped, (with great due
respect to the noble animal, the pig).
Putin’s cancellation of South Stream was a truly magical move, which will
create very, very serious repercussions in the future for the energy needs
and requirements of England and the rest of Europe. They have themselves,
and only themselves, to blame.
Treat Russia as an equal and with integrity, and Russia will respond
positively – for all to benefit.
The initial cause of that problem, however, can squarely be placed at the
feet of David Cameron, England’s Prime Minister. Throughout his tenure he
has created one debacle after another; his tail has been wagged by his
controllers in the U.S. and the EU. He is a man devoid of morality, truth,
ethics or integrity.
If he had backbone and integrity he would have resisted all the negative
directions being imposed upon Russia by his partners in the EU and America.
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 OSIKA *· 12 hours ago
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  Very,very interesting.When my mind goes back to First World War,Bulgaria
was the big bastard attacking Serbia from behind and killing retreating
soldiers and civilians,but Russia "saved"them from being destroyed stopping
Serbs to retaliate and punish them for their treachery.Same thing in second
W.W.And now they just proven that they are incapable to be a sovereign
country.Good on Russia.It's time to stand and not to be bullied.Show this
western stooges that no matter what,Russia is great country with great
leadership.Bravo.
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 Infensus Mentis <http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com.au/> *· 12 hours ago
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  Fantastic analysis; best I've read in awhile. The comments at the
original post are also worth a look (and it doesn't hurt that some of them
are hilarious).
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 Old School *· 9 hours ago
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  Once again the arrogant, stupid bastards in the U.S. and their Euro
whores never seem to learn. Putin recently reminded the West that no one
has ever conquered Russia, and no one ever will. I guess they thought he
was bullshitting.
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 goy *· 9 hours ago
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  The more one moves more to the east and south of the EU, the more it
becomes obvious what a huge fraud EU is. And it was designed to be – what
was the point of investing the whole sovereignty of the member countries,
without guaranty that no nation will be sacrificed so that „big“ others can
continue to perform stupidity after stupidity (Bulgaria, Romania, Greece,
Cyprus, etc). How smart one must be to comprehend that nobody strives to
have nuclear weapons and after achieving that – lets bullies blackmail him?
That is what's it all about Russia! Why be a nuclear super-power and behave
like a helpless orphan? Russians are aware of how savage they look in the
eyes of „sofisticated“ Europeans, but they are also aware of how savage
Europeans in fact are. A facade is just that – a facade. Europeans allowed
others (twice in their history) to make their home a war-arena, paying
unimaginable price for nothing. It will not be different this time arround.
European sickness is irrational arrogance. They still believe that
everything coming from the east is primitive, bad and worthless and
everything theirs is „divine“. THAT is plainly STUPID and there must be
price to pay for such an attitude.
We can read daily how Europeans are „dissatisfied“ with Turkey. Turks do
not obey, they do not deliver. Deliver WHAT? What are they supposed to do,
commit suicide in order to please some jerks in London and Brussels? Be
good enough to be a soldier in the front-lines, but not good enough to be a
citizen? That is what NATO is come to!
I believe that the real masters of „the West“ will not hesitate to start a
nuclear confrontation. Russians are aware of that. Then all bets are off!
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 americatemychildren *· 9 hours ago
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  I question whether the conflict in the Ukraine has so little bearing on
the situation. Part of the reason for the crypto-colonization is the 3Tr.
cubic meters of shale gas there. Syria, too, may have even more gas.
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 S Balu *· 5 hours ago
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  In 2015 we WITNESS DEMISE OF EU WITH GREECE AND BULGARIA LEAVING THE
EXCLUSIVE CHRISTAIN CLUB! Turkey has played a master stroke and will entice
Greece and Bulgaria which were always better off with Turks what a turn
around Historical ARROGANCE OF CHRISTAIN WEST CLUB REFUSING TURKEY IT'S
membership now is the time for payback!
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 ringo *· 3 hours ago
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  "SOUTH STREAM" GONE WEST, President Putin is a JUDO EXPERT, seems like he
used his expertise in harnessing his opponents aggression to give a HIP
THROW, round 1 to President Putin, what a guy, MAKES OBAMA AND THE CHUMPS
IN THE EU, LOK LIKE NOVICES,
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 Doug *· 2 hours ago
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  This article points out the fallacy of those on here who continually
point their finger at Americans not being able to control those in power
here. There are plenty of enablers all over the globe. Any country aligned
with the U.S., yes that is you Aussies and New Zealanders, can redirect
those fingers you point in your own direction. The point being we need to
align with one another, not point fingers.
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 BRF *· 1 hour ago
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  excellent article explaining some of the reasoning behind positions of
various players. The E.U. leadership is completely under the thumb of their
American masters. Whether from bags of cash, blackmail (especially the
pedophiles) or outright violent threats the E.U. parliament is rotten to
the core and only serves the western neo con agendas.

Awhile back Mike Whitney wrote a piece that claimed Iran had signed on with
the western Nabucco pipeline project, making that line feasible, for the
delivery of gas to Europe following much the same route that a Russian
Turkish line would take. Is there to be a consortium line built shared by
both Russian and western energy companies, basically thumbing their
collective noses at the western political class?
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 truth first *· 58 minutes ago
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  The West has not given up on getting rid of those commies. This objective
is still a priority among ignorant republicans, Americans recently voted
for a more war like government after 13 years of useless wars. So being
logical and cooperating with self designated 'enemies' is still opposed by
the gang that runs America and the EU.
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 Arnold *· 26 minutes ago
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 Now we know who's going to have their cake and eat it too.
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