Dr Owor Kipenji
I have no problem with the decision you have made. I have a problem though that
UPC as a party has to today {April 23 2015} failed to stand up and file a copy
of accountability on that war. And let me put it this way so that I am
understood. If Paul Muwanga sold an embassy and sent the money to Tanzania to
fight a war actually does not bother me. My God if Dr Kisekka sold his entire
pharmacy in Nairobi and sent the money to Tanzania to fund the war does not
honestly bother me. African politics run that way, it is crooked but cruel.
That is what they thought and that is what they did, can we use that experience
to build a better future? I think so. What I really get frustrated upon is this
debate of UPC never used any money from Uganda, they never used any Uganda
assets to fund the war, and when Paul Muwanga sold the embassy his money was
never used in the war. Kyemba never stole any money and Dr Malinga never stole
anything. Dr Owor you have backed Dr Bata when we all from Luwero suffered
immensely for he stole all medications from that hospital. Medication that was
supplied to us by UPC government. I just do not get this protective caricature
in my fellow Ugandans to poor politics and poor so called politicians. And in
as much as I love to agree with that stand you have sir, you are turning around
and still disagree with me that UPC as a party must morally file an
accountability of what they needed for the war and how they achieved it let
alone spend it.
That is the point I leave UPC in as a party in a crematorium.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
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Subject: [UGANDACOM] Re: {UAH} HUSSEIN AMIN LET UGANDANS LOOT UGANDA DRY
Herrn Mulindwa:
I am not going to get myself mired in your propaganda trajectory. I will answer
your questions by
putting another question to you.
Do you sincerely believe that UPC used monies that Idi Amin claimed was being
"stolen" by those
who were running away and that you appear to believe came from that phantom
sale of the Ugandan
Embassy in Paris to finance the war against the Amin regime?
Herrn Mulindwa,I do not believe that you fall into the category of those who
epitomize the saying:"You
can take someone out of the village,but not the village from him/her".
I do not believe that you sincerely think if you want to buy a home in
Canada,you would get your gunia of money
and go and pay the seller then own the property.You are far better informed
about such transactions
than the passive information consumer that you appear to be supporting.
Lastly why did Uganda owe Tanzania monies for their contributions in ousting
Amin?
Lets start critiquing whatever we hear,or read about other than being passive
consumers.
Kipenji
_____
From: Herrn Edward Mulindwa <mulin...@look.ca>
To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
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Sent: Wednesday, 22 April 2015, 20:38
Subject: RE: {UAH} HUSSEIN AMIN LET UGANDANS LOOT UGANDA DRY
Doctor Owor Kipenji
How did UPC finance the war that threw Iddi Amin out of power? It is 2015 and
some of us have not yet got the accountability on how the party financed the
war sir. To some of us a party that claims to care about Ugandans and which
claims to be more accountable to Ugandans than Iddi Amin a man that was worse
than Hitler, if it spends on any national issue it posts the records of such
expenses.
Doctor Owori Kipenji how much did it cost UPC to wage a war on Uganda? How much
did they spend? What standards did UPC follow to make sure that those monies
are used in a way to create jobs for Ugandans? Did they borrow? How much and
from whom? Did UPC have party members that had access to national assets at a
time did they offer money to UPC and how much?
Dr Owor Kipenji what was the net value that was spent by UPC to remove
President Iddi Amin from power sir?
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
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Subject: Re: {UAH} HUSSEIN AMIN LET UGANDANS LOOT UGANDA DRY
Herrn Mulindwa:
Nobody has prevented you or is preventing you from setting up a National
Enquiry into all the Propaganda that
Ugandans are being fed on.
What some of us are doing is only drawing your attention to the real fallacies
behind these Propaganda and counter
Propaganda.
You know for a fact that even with your almost 30 years residence in Canada,you
cannot just walk into your bank
with a Gunia of money and expect to deposit it and walk out without law
enforcement being involved if the said bank
can not verify the source of your money.These laws have been there for eon.
So that is why we are saying that claiming that people who were serving under
Amin were running away with millions of
US dollars meant for government purchase was cheap propaganda except that
people like you believed it to be true.
International financial transactions are never done on a cash basis like you
and me would do it when we go to the cattle or
chicken market and after making our choices we pull out the wads of notes give
it to the seller and we get away.
If that is agreed upon,then it is incumbent upon you to realize that Idi Amin
was only using counter propaganda methods
to reduce the pains of his being deserted by those he thought he trusted.
On Paulo Muwanga and his deeds or misdeeds,I never stated that what he did was
right.All I was exposing was the fallacy
of a single individual selling off property that belongs to a foreign legal
entity without the legal papers clearing such a deal.
Furniture sale from Embassies is not a new phenomenon as long as they are
replaced with new ones.It is just akin to your
either throwing away your old pants that you feel are either too tight or to
flabby on you or choosing to drop them to the thrift
store for charity.
As to whether it is Kipenji or Ocen who know what,that should not lead to any
jamboree.
Kipenji
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From: Herrn Edward Mulindwa < <mailto:mulin...@look.ca> mulin...@look.ca>
To: <mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, 21 April 2015, 23:58
Subject: RE: {UAH} HUSSEIN AMIN LET UGANDANS LOOT UGANDA DRY
Dr Kipenji
Can we kindly set up a commission on all these issues than keeping national
records for Ocen Nekyon and Dr Kipenji knows them. I am not going to sit here
and claim that Paul Muwanga was a good man for he did not sell the embassy, but
he sold only furniture.
To me he had no right to sell any national property.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
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Subject: Re: {UAH} HUSSEIN AMIN LET UGANDANS LOOT UGANDA DRY
Herrn Mulindwa:
Lets not transform fiction into facts.Everybody who was of age during Idi
Amin's time knows
that by his own creation Amin had so many detractors who were more than ready
and willing
to make him blacker than he already was.These people happen to be the ones who
had monopoly
of all the means of propaganda.
Amin on the other hand outside his Moslem Arab friends had very poor public
relations consultants
who could hae put the situations he was grappling with in their correct
perspectives.
So,his only recourse was a counter propaganda against anybody who disagreed
with him and had
to flee the country.
If you ever bothered to follow the issues of embassy land and belongings of
Kenya in Japan,you would
not have swallowed the propaganda that Paulo Muwanga sold Uganda's Emabssy in
Paris.
If even the sale of one's own property aka home/house a lawyer is involved,how
would an Ambassador
sale off his country's property in a foreign place?
Such sales that you want to imagine and believe really took place would require
the sanction of the owner
who in this case is the Uganda government and their legal reps would have to
midwife it.
Lets for your sake believe the Emabssy was sold off,who bought it? Secondly
what happened to the next
Ambassador who was posted there where did (s)he start from?
So,it is better we realize the counter propaganda that the Ugandan government
was involved in and take
it as such,unless because you want your views to be taken as truth,then we have
to take all the anti
Amin propaganda as true!
We all need to critique what we read about or hear about.
What was true with regard to the Paris Embassy was that Pauo Muwanga sold off
the furniture claiming they
needed replacement and he possibly used the money to flee. This is what Paulo
Muwanga's replacement
in Paris,the late A.Ogola reported.
Kipenji
_____
From: Joseph Kamugisha < <mailto:jokar...@hotmail.com> jokar...@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, 21 April 2015, 22:21
Subject: RE: {UAH} HUSSEIN AMIN LET UGANDANS LOOT UGANDA DRY
Ndugu Ocen:
Did you just remind us about the "Brilliant leadership" of Amin? Am also
reminded by Hussein Amin that it wasn't only sugar that the "Brilliant
leadership " imported but it was also anything humanly essential. Hence,
Binaisa's first sux months of being in power, furnishing essential commodities
to the population. After Idi Amin it was like the country had woken up from a
long night ugly dream.
Kamugisha
_____
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 21:18:07 -0400
Subject: Re: {UAH} HUSSEIN AMIN LET UGANDANS LOOT UGANDA DRY
From: <mailto:ocennek...@gmail.com> ocennek...@gmail.com
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Folks:
This where logical thinking comes to die!
Idi Amin, inherits an economy with no national debt constraint and what does
he do? He goes on a shopping spree for all types Weapon systems and hands over
them to individuals who were Goat herders a few years before, with no idea how
to operate them.
In the meantime no new investments are going into the productive sector to the
point that, a country which had the capacity export Sugar, now begins to import
it.
This is simply "Brilliant" leadership.
At the end of ' The Economic War,' Uganda now owes Libya a ton of money which
is only settled by the NRM government 20 years later by selling 51% of National
Housing, which was started by? You guessed it, UPC.
This is absolutely "brilliant" thinking!
Ocen
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
From: Herrn Edward Mulindwa
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Subject: {UAH} HUSSEIN AMIN LET UGANDANS LOOT UGANDA DRY
Hussein Amin
I do not think this is about siding with thieves, this is about UPC protecting
its self. When you pull Malinga’s name and state that he stole money out of our
London embassy, you must pull Kyemba. Dr Kipenji is a very smart man to
understands that the moment those two are pulled up the next one will be Paul
Muwanga that sold a Uganda embassy in Paris. Tindimwebwa has just asked a very
troubling question, and I will directly quote him “What is more important;
defending a murderer or a thief?those thieves stole from a murderer and a fool.
“ end quote. And that is the true thinking of UPC as a party, they have a right
to decide who is a good leader of Uganda as who is bad. To UPC members in this
forum Obote was good leader as Tito Okello as Museveni, Iddi Amin was a bad
leader. Through those powers they as well own an authority to loot the state
and sell its assets for to them the embassy in Paris belonged to Amin the man
than Uganda the state.
Which takes me back to the issue of Dr Kyemba and Dr Malinga for I am getting a
whack of attacks on raising their names. Fellow Ugandans as we discuss the
issues of our country, let us kindly stop to believe that Iddi Amin was leading
Uganda as a single man, he had a fully functioning government. The only thing
Amin refused was to be a beggar of world bank or IMF as Obote was. Amin never
borrowed, he asked money from good Uganda friends that had piles of cash. And
he successfully achieved that for he declared Uganda a Moslem state, a reason
you today have Mbale university that was started again by Iddi Amin. {And Ocen
Nekyon yes I know Mbale University was built in 1968 for Obote built it so
kindly don’t remind me.} Because Amin had that connection he accessed all
monies of all kinds from Arab countries than any president ever will.
With that back ground, Iddi Amin ran a full government, he had fully staffed
embassies, and the moneys that the Kyemba and Malinga stole from our country
was documented. There are Ugandans that were diplomats at a time, that
recorded how much was stolen and by whom, some of whom are members of this very
forum and reading. What we have been demanding from way back in 1979 is these
friends to allow a commission in Uganda so that those with details can stand up
and state how much was looted. And those requests have been but turned down.
The last man I personally requested to pull such a commission was Dr Ruhakana
Rugunda. Dr Kyemba and Dr Malinga are not the only people that stole money out
of Uganda under Amin there are way many more names we know that must be
questioned. Much of the money that UPC used to fight the war was stolen from
Uganda under Amin government for UPC as a party was as poor as Jesus in a God
damn church.
It just gets frustrating when UPC members in this forum decry corruption when
they are sending out a message that when you steal money from Uganda government
you are stealing from a bad leader. David Oyite Ojoke left a massive bank
account in Switzerland that even his family failed to access, why can’t we as a
state raise up and demand the release of those funds? Because we will be
reminded by Ocen Nekyon and Dr Kipenji on how they knew these individuals and
they never stole a penny for they died poor people.
Friends if you are in Uganda and you have access to government money, just yank
it for the sake of your family, for being faithful to the state of Uganda is
simply not worth it.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
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From: Hussein Amin < <mailto:husseinjur...@gmail.com> husseinjur...@gmail.com>
To: <mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com>
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Sent: Monday, 20 April 2015, 15:15
Subject: Re: {UAH} NORA AMIN
Forumists,
Why is it politically expedient to side with a thief?
On Apr 20, 2015 10:04 PM, "Moses Ocen Nekyon" < <mailto:musa...@gmail.com>
musa...@gmail.com> wrote:
Ladit Kipenji:
Standard Operating Procedures(SOP) during the Idi Amin regime, was to blame
Guerillas for "kidnapping" a person who "disappeared" or create the impression
that a person stole money and took off.
If somebody could convert $7 Million in present terms, does Henry Kyemba, look
like a person who is worth that much?
Ocen
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From: 'Owor Kipenji' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 13:37
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Subject: Re: {UAH} NORA AMIN
Sorry for the passing on of Madam Noor Amin(RIP).
What is very disturbing though is that we continue to
accuse people of committing crimes which are best told
as fairy tales to toddlers or at best to birds which will not
attempt at validating whatever they are told.
Uganda has always had a Government since that infamous
flag day aka Independence.
What has always puzzled me is that we often think that in
conducting International business,our Government gives one
fellow monies running in millions of dollars to go out and purchase
whatever the government wants.Surely do we believe that in the
1970s there was such transactions taking place?
These stories fit more with the barter type of trade of the 14th
century era not the 20th century one.
So,the assertion that a one Henry Kyemba ran away with $7 million
(US) is a lie that attempts at repeating it has not helped to make it
a fact.
Kipenji
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From: Hussein Amin < <mailto:husseinjur...@gmail.com> husseinjur...@gmail.com>
To: <mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com>
ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, 20 April 2015, 12:36
Subject: RE: {UAH} NORA AMIN
I doubt this can be settled once and for all. Especially if it is for a simple
post here in UAH. But for your "records", Taban's mother (RIP) is a totally
different person. Let Mr. Rwot whom you are inquiring from, confirm that for
you.
On Apr 20, 2015 11:48 AM, "Billie Kadameri" < <mailto:kadam...@hotmail.com>
kadam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hussein Juruga,
Which year did she die and where was she buried?. I would love to settle this
record once and for all, with facts and date, because it appears many people,
including Amin's own children, do no know all details about their own extended
family.
Billie
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 22:11:46 +0300
Subject: {UAH} NORA AMIN
From: <mailto:husseinjur...@gmail.com> husseinjur...@gmail.com
To: <mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com>
ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
Billie Okadamieri,
Why didn't you just ask me?
Nora Amin succumbed to cancer at Mulago hospital where she had been
unsuccesfully treated for days.
Exactly the same sitiation as your colleague journalist Rosemary recently.
Mama Nora is survived by two children. Issa and Fatuma Amin.
As a journalist you surely strive to get news from a closest source.
Especially that I am a member on this web forum.
However I must commend you for trying to set the record straight.
But for those implicating Amin as many have authoritatively done in this forum,
yet Mama Nora died painfully in the hospital while Mr. Kyemba had run away with
7m USD State funds for health equipment, is just heartless.
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