I agree Steve - I think it dates back to a time that's long gone. Sent from my iPhone
On 26 Oct 2013, at 12:15, "Stephen Wilcox" <steve.wil...@ixreach.com<mailto:steve.wil...@ixreach.com>> wrote: This is true for a few cables now, but I'm curious as to those setting the requirement to be "London proof" want to achieve. How will they access 2856, 5089, 13285 etc if they are focussed on being out of London and on international capacity? And if accessing domestic networks is not important, such as to protect data then why not host offshore or use a smaller domestic focused transit operator who's UK connectivity is well peered in all the regions ie Why ask for a "Tier1 thats London-proof"? Its almost an oxymoron.. Steve On 26 October 2013 10:07, Neil J. McRae <n...@domino.org<mailto:n...@domino.org>> wrote: If you get a link from AS1273 in slough via their Bracknell access node then it's completely London proof, from backhaul, submarine system (Apollo) and network operations point of view. When you look at major network events like the tsunamis in the Far East etc the there are a common set of providers that cope well, 1273 is one of them as is TATA it's because they have high level of control across the whole stack of the network. AS1273 also had a root name server connected directly in Germany, not sure if it's still there but I suspect so. Infact one of the most London proof network links is the AS1273 connectivity into the TUC used for LINX meetings, it's fibre all the way to Bracknell (or was when I put it in) IXmanchester and IXLeeds will be useful if they have root name servers at them, otherwise will be irrelevant - don't think either of them have this currently. Cheers, Neil Sent from my iPhone On 25 Oct 2013, at 20:52, "Stephen Wilcox" <steve.wil...@ixreach.com<mailto:steve.wil...@ixreach.com>> wrote: What is the thing you're trying to avoid though? Connectivity via slough is still likely to go back into London to get to the cables which go east and South towards Europe. I've seen these asks many times but the reality is the UK geography plus market dynamics doesn't make this as easy as it sounds. Why host in Manchester if you know Manchester is overly dependent on London? We have paths from Manchester to the US and Manchester to slough, probably better routes than most but I'd still question what it's diversifying against since there's more robust ways to do this such as host in Slough directly, or offshore to Amsterdam. Most "tier1s" either don't peer with most UK networks or do so in London, perhaps you would be better with a more regional tier2 player who can deliver the diversity through its concentration of UK network rather than some global player? There's a few such decent operators.. The IX Manchester members list is a good place to shortlist them. Go for someone with open peering too - no point getting a good name if they have no connectivity to anything when London goes offline! Steve On 25 Oct 2013 17:22, "Ben King" <b...@warwicknet.com<mailto:b...@warwicknet.com>> wrote: Hi All, We currently have Level 3 and NTT as our transit providers out of London (Interxion and TH respectively), and now we want to bring a 3rd tier 1 into Manchester TCW, however I want the utopic 'London Proof' transit and I am not sure who can truly provide. Level 3 resolutely assure me that they are London proof so I could move them and bring someone else into London (though others tell me rumours that Level 3s transit in Manchester is some dirty longline out of London). Cogent say their transit is out via slough - and thats sort of not london but also I am crazy about having Cogent again. Any advice would be much appreciated folks. Regards... Ben -- Ben King <b...@warwicknet.com<mailto:j...@warwicknet.com>> WarwickNet - The Business & Science Park ISP Tel: 024 7699 7222 Mob: 07973 848007 http://www.warwicknet.com<http://www.warwicknet.com/> -- Director / Founder IX Reach Ltd E: steve.wil...@ixreach.com<mailto:steve.wil...@ixreach.com> M: +44 7966 048633 Tempus Court, Bellfield Road, High Wycombe, HP13 5HA, UK.
