At 11:54 AM 2/6/2002 -0700, John H. Jenkins wrote:
>The original focus was on digital signatures, and I still don't get the 
>objection.  Because I don't know *precisely* what bytes Microsoft Word or 
>Adobe Acrobat use, do I refuse to sign documents they create?  Is that the 
>idea?  I mean, good heavens, I don't even know *precisely* what bytes Mail.
>app is going to use for this email.  Should I refuse to sign it?


I don't think the main issue is whether or not you should sign it. I think 
the main issue the original poster tired to raise, is that as the recipient 
of such a signed document, he is not persuaded he should trust it.

This is a serious issue, although as several have noted, not a Unicode-only 
one. No one doubts the security of the encryption algorithms used for 
signing. But the issue of trust is critical.

In the analog world, people are expected read and understand documents, and 
in general, the worlds legal systems are set up to recognize that a 
signature (or stamp or seal or whatever) is binding evidence that such care 
was taken (even if it wasn't really taken). In the digital world, 
individual behavior and legal processes both may not be so well formed to 
support the technology of digital signatures. I believe this is what the 
original point was.

IANAL, but enforceability of such a kluged, digitally-signed document seems 
in doubt. There is a long history of that type of contract support in our 
US legal systems, and probably others as well. There will surely be 
difficulties adapting it to the digital domain, but I think the basis for 
support is already there....

Anyway, it is not, but maybe should be well known, that the purpose of 
digital signatures, is to verify who the sender is, and to verify that the 
document has not been changed in transit. That it might contain tricky 
language or information is an important thing to note, but the reader still 
needs to rely on the document's contents with the same skeptical eye as if 
it were not printed. Just as the Unicode bi-di algorithm makes no claims at 
reversibility, digital signing algorithms make no claim that the signed 
contents are correct,or even useful.




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