At 04:00 PM 4/24/2004, Peter Kirk wrote:
There are tons of problems once one adds in other combining marks
being applied to the character as well, because then under normalization,
unless the mark you were applying the variation selector to is of
combining class 0, you can't assure that the variation selector will
stay with the mark.  Having the existing Variation Selectors behave
in that way would break the normalization stability guarantee, ...

This is untrue. Normalisation stability does not apply when the text is changed, and inserting a variation selector is a change to the text. I have never suggested changing the combining class or other normalisation properties of existing VSs. The way to ensure that a VS stays with the mark it applies to is to ensure that in the part of the combining character sequence before the VS all combining characters are already in canonical order. Well, I can see that there are potential problems where there are canonical decompositions (which are not composition exclusions), but that does not apply to the cases I am interested in.

Because of normalization stability, the combining class of all existing variation selectors must remain at 0. A character of class 0 interrupts canonical reordering (so that, for example, accent marks inside and outside an enclosing mark don't switch places).


Unnormalized data is perfectly legal in Unicode and *must* and just as equivalent to normalized data as the composed and decomposed normalized forms are to each other. [The rules are for that are in chapter 3].

Therefore, any scheme that only works if data is always normalized is not feasible.

You can dream of new types of characters, which have different combining classes, but then, by your own admission in another part of this thread, you would be forced to add new characters.

We have purposefully added a large number of variation selectors so that software can be built today that robustly covers all those processes where the variation selectors can be ignored. As I pointed out in my last message, it's a defining characteristic of variation selectors that there are many processes for which they should be ignored.

Because of that,it would be *much* easier to even add 6 1/2 dozen new combining characters than a single 'specialized' new type of variation selector.

A./





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