On 1/19/2019 3:53 AM, James Kass via Unicode wrote:

Marcel Schneider wrote,

> When you ask for knowing the foundations and that knowledge is persistently refused,
> you end up believing that those foundations just can’t be told.
>
> Note, too, that I readily ceased blaming UTC, and shifted the blame elsewhere, where it
> actually belongs to.

Why not think of it as a learning curve?  Early concepts and priorities were made from a lower position on that curve.  We can learn from the past and apply those lessons to the future, but a post-mortem seldom benefits the cadaver.


+1. Well put about the cadaver.


Minutiae about decisions made long ago probably exist, but may be presently poorly indexed/organized and difficult to search/access. As the collection of encoding history becomes more sophisticated and the searching technology becomes more civilized, it may become easier to glean information from the archives.

(OT - A little humor, perhaps...
On the topic of Francophobia, it is true that some of us do not like dead generalissimos.  But most of us adore the French for reasons beyond Brigitte Bardot and bon-bons.  Cuisine, fries, dip, toast, curls, culture, kissing, and tarts, for instance.  Not to mention cognac and champagne!)


It is time for this discussion to be moved to a small group of people interested in hashing out actual proposals for submission. Is there anyone here who would like to collaborate with Marcel to find a solution for European number formatting that

(1) fully supports the typographic best practice

(2) identifies acceptable fall backs

(3) is compatible with existing legacy practice, even if that does not conform to (1) or (2)

(4) includes necessary adjustments to CLDR


If nobody here is interested in working on that, discussing this further on this list will not serve a useful purpose, as nothing will change in Unicode without a well-formulated proposal that covers the four parameters laid out here.

A./

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