There is no reason not to call the police about curfew violation. There is no
reason not to call DHS if you think there is abuse/neglect. It is wrong not to
help troubled youth.
Richard Hotchkiss
John Ellingsworth wrote:
> This is what you'll get:
>
> "Don't tell me how to raise my kids."
>
> Then what?
>
> A similar problem was encountered where I live: the mother did not like
> being "told what to do" one bit, and reacted with hostility, and potentially
> with violence, if the "one who knew better" did not back off.
>
> I heard that what's in the dog is in the pup.
> Or that you can take the kid out of the city, but you can't take the city
> out of the kid.
>
> If you can't change the parents, you won't have much success with the kids.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John Ellingsworth
> Virtual Curriculum
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elizabeth F. Campion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 11:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Inconsiderate & Loud Neighbors
>
> >
> > Dear Earlene,
> >
> > Thank you for bringing up the issues of
> >
> > noise / nuisance
> >
> > and
> >
> > child neglect.
> >
> > At 46, I do not consider myself "older" - but I was made cranky and
> > physically ill by sleep disturbances that were the result of a neighbor
> > who put barking dogs in a yard facing my bedroom window at frequent, but
> > not always consistent times, as late as after Midnight and as early as 6
> > AM. This went on for almost 2 years, until I found the keys (threats?)
> > to help him conform to law and apparent courtesy. I never got an
> > apology, but... the dogs are now put out after 7 AM and taken in before
> > 11 PM most days.
> >
> > I imagine that hearing children at 1:30 AM could be even worse, because
> > it is not just one's own lost sleep that is at stake.
> >
> > I was a "Single-Working" mother for the three years it took my Larry to
> > finish his Ph.D. at Roswell in Buffalo, NY.
> > I am still very sensitive to the burden single mothers have.
> > I hold mental lists of things I wish I could have done better for myself
> > and my kids.
> > I am reluctant to "criminalize" maternal behaviors (especially where Dad
> > seems to be getting a pass) yet I am certain that every child deserves at
> > least some MINIMUM standard of care which includes:
> >
> > 1. Adequate and appropriate Food.
> > Dr. Pepper in a baby bottle is NEVER appropriate.
> > 2. Decent Shelter.
> > Floors that have been swept, beds and linen that are clean.
> > 3. Clean, dry clothing.
> > For babies - a diaper and a generic cotton T-shirt are adequate.
> > 4. Constant supervision with mature direction and
> > 5. Sufficient undisturbed sleep for growth and healing.
> >
> > I had good parents who set imposing standards for me to follow.
> > I have exceeded some of those standards (by virtue of larger income
> > divided among fewer family members) and failed miserably at others. My
> > "Stay Home Mom" directed 11 kids safely through the teen years and to
> > college scholarships. Most of us completed college requirements in 4
> > years. A few "dropped out" and went back to college later. And a few
> > went on to professional degrees and careers. Even though we were closely
> > watched, we were actually more self sufficient than my own kids. All of
> > us could get our homework done, succeed at school, cook, clean, roller
> > skate, bike swim, play cards, serve guests at a party and do rudimentary
> > repairs and gardening before we left the nest. I try to remember how my
> > mother did it, and conclude
> > I never saw her sleep (until we were grown and she was old and ill) and
> > I am awed by her energy and successes.
> >
> > So, How do we
> >
> > Help you / ourselves to the peaceful use of our homes, and
> >
> > Help these children (and their mother) to a proper schedule and basic
> > needs?
> >
> > I know the problems of inadequate sleep and supervision are not limited
> > to large families &/or sub-poverty children.
> > And, I assume your problem family is not on the PFSNI list.
> > So, how do we share the input you gather with people who probably won't
> > read, and with whom the barriers of anger, frustration and worry make
> > direct communication difficult?
> >
> > Is everything a DHS or 911 problem?
> >
> > I tend to jump too quickly to a child's defense.
> > Later, I fear the kid suffered reprisal once I was gone.
> > I've consoled myself that the parent will at least learn / practice some
> > caution, and the kid will recognize his own situation may not be "normal"
> > - may even be "bad" and than have the tools of hope and /or curiosity to
> > discover better standards and methods. But, I would like to hear some
> > sound advice with contact people, agencies and numbers.
> >
> > I hope the list wires burn as hot for kids and sleep as it did for the
> > USPO.
> >
> > Thanks again Earlene,
> >
> > All the best!
> > Liz
> >
> > Elizabeth Campion - Neighbor & Real Estate Broker
> > E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Direct & VM: 215-790-5653 / Cell Phone (for emergencies only):
> > 215-880-2930
> > Mail to : P.O. Box 23632 / Phila, Pa 19143
> > PRUDENTIAL, FOX & ROACH - Reception:215-546-0550, Shared Fax:
> > 215-546-9781
> > Office at 210 W. Rittenhouse Sq., Suite # 406 / Phila, Pa 19103
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:53:33 -0400 "Craig, Earlene"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how to deal with new
> > > neighbors
> > > who are loud and inconsiderate of older people and neighbors in
> > > general. We
> > > have new neighbors whose children are out late at night running up
> > > and down
> > > the street as late/early as 1:30 AM. Many of the neighbors have
> > > spoken to
> > > the children, some are teenagers around 15 or 16 yrs. old. Some are
> > > as
> > > young as probably 9 or 10. I went out at 11:30 last night and asked
> > > them to
> > > be quiet and that it is very disturbing when all you can hear is
> > > loud
> > > noises, screaming in front of my house. They were quiet until I
> > > closed the
> > > door and it started over again. The only way I have been successful
> > > in
> > > drowning out the noise is either turning on the air conditioner in
> > > my
> > > bedroom or sleeping in the basement.
> > >
> > > Many of the neighbors, including myself, have talked to the
> > > mother of
> > > the children, but to no avail. This is the house/porch where most
> > > of the
> > > other children congregate, by the way many of the children don't
> > > live on our
> > > block. Some of the time she is not at home, and other times she is
> > > in the
> > > house when all of this commotion is going on. I have resisted
> > > calling the
> > > police, that would be my last recourse.
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any suggestions that you can give. I am in
> > > need of
> > > sleep, since I get up at 5:30 AM and I have to be at work by 7:00AM.
> > > When I
> > > go out in the morning it is so quiet and peaceful, yes, my
> > > understanding is
> > > that they sleep late into the day.
> > >
> > > P.S. I forgot to tell you, they are renters.
> > >
> > > Earlene Craig
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