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   Date:  Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:57:43 EST

   This is a serious social problem. It can't be answered by someone
   who made the sacrifices to get an education or acquire skills and a
   work ethic saying that anybody can do it. For some, it's too
   late. I believe we have to focus on the emerging generation -- so
   the kids in families with adults in this group don't follow in
   their parents' footsteps. And this isn't easy, either, because it
   would be wrong to usurp parental rights, too, or to disgrace
   parents in the eyes of their children.

I've seen a *very* strong instinct for parents to raise their children
the way they were raised.  This is ameliorated by having two or more
adults cooperate in raising a child; common sense and experience have
a chance of over-riding one parent's instincts when another parent is
there to say, "Why on earth would you do that!"  The kid also is
exposed to more role models, and so has a better chance to choose a
path that will work well for him or her.

So, maybe being an involved god-parent is one way to help.  Not
preaching and criticizing, but baby sitting, helping cook meals,
buying birthday gifts, asking, "What happened today?  How are you
going to handle that?  Can I help?" and just being there to bounce
ideas off of, and to talk about your own experiences.  It's hard to
imagine a parent turning down that sort of help.

I wish I could say that I do this.  I'm a somewhat involved god-parent
for two little kids, but they aren't in the "at risk" group we're
talking about.  This is just an idea that popped into my head when I
read Al's post.  I'm not sure how I'd go about getting adopted into a
family in this sort of role.

   Rather than take the opportunity for what it is, maybe try to acquire
   skills "on the job," what I get is resentment that so-and-so (a
   skilled carpenter, plumber, painter, etc who gets to work on time
   every day) is making more money, or doesn't have to do the dirty jobs,
   or the like.

I heard an interview with someone working to help "underclass" kids
get jobs.  He said that one common problem is that a young man would
look around and see that he had to clean up and get lunch for
everyone, and he'd refuse to be anyone's servant, and quit.  The owner
would be hurt and confused, and say, "But everyone here started off by
cleaning up and running errands.  I started off by cleaning up and
running errands.  I was trying to give him a chance."  So, it's
important to explain the career path, so the person knows what they
can achieve and has some idea of what they need to do to achieve it.

   I don't mean to be insulting, but this is the Marie Antoinette
   syndrome -- when told that people were starving -- had no bread to eat
   -- she (supposedly) said something to the effect that there were so
   many elegant little bakeries in Paris and we should just "let them eat
   cake."

http://www.yaelf.com/aueFAQ/mifletmeatcake.shtml

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   The French is _Qu'ils mangent de la brioche_ (not _gateau_ as
one might expect).  And Queen Marie-Antoinette did *not* say this.
(When famine struck Paris, she actually took an active role in
relieving it.)  Jean-Jacques Rousseau attributed the words to "a great
princess" in book 6 of his _Confessions_.  _Confessions_ was published
posthumously, but book 6 was written 2 or 3 years before
Marie-Antoinette arrived in France in 1770.

   John Wexler writes: "French law obliged bakers to sell certain
standard varieties of loaf at fixed weights and prices.  (It still
does, which explains why the most expensive patisserie will sell you a
baguette for the same price as a supermarket.)  At the time when this
quotation originated, the law also obliged the baker to sell a fancier
loaf for the price of the cheap one when the cheap ones were all gone.
This was to forestall the obvious trick of baking just a few standard
loaves, so that one could make more profit by using the rest of the
flour for price-unregulated loaves.  So whoever it was who said
_Qu'ils mangent de la brioche_, she (or he) was not being wholly
flippant.  The idea was that the bread shortage could be alleviated if
the law was enforced against profiteering bakers.  I have seen this
explanation quoted in defence of Marie Antoinette.  It seems a pity,
after all that, if she didn't say it."
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