Thanks for this post! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilma de Soto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "PFSNI listserv" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "UnivCity listserv" <UnivCity@list.purple.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 8:49 PM Subject: [UC] Re: We Are All Human and make Mistakes
> My apologies for the rather lengthy post. > > With regard to the UC Listserv, I would like to say a couple of things. > > First of all ten years and a bit more ago, I was Co-Chair of the Spruce > Hill > Membership during the time when Patrick Starr was SHCA's President. > > Nick Sanders (then Treasurer) and I began to organize the Membership List > by > way of e-mail. > > Nick suggested that it would be wonderful if Spruce Hill Members and > especially Officers could communicate by e-mail to expedite organizational > affairs. > > So we began a Spruce Hill E-mail list where primarily Officers of the > Board > of Spruce Hill and others in the organization who had e-mail and Internet > access, (which was not as plentiful in 1994 as it is now.) could tend to > community business. Some of my family members were on the "Internet" > during > the early 70's (Hackers all) and I am sure Bill Magill could attest to the > fact that there was an Internet (then known by another name) before the > "masses" had access. > > The SHCA e-mail list later was expanded to LibertyNet where SHCA was > launching a website to promote their proposal for a Spruce Hill Historical > District. > > Thereafter, I am not quite sure how the UC List came metamorphosed from > the > SHCA e-mail list except that Sharrieff Ali, reported earlier that SHCA > formed an Internet Committee and Jeff Abramson (member of said committee) > sponsored the listserv and put it on purple.com. > > It is impossible for us now to conceive that during the 90's most people > did > not have the now ubiquitous personal computers (no laptops then, either) > and > access to The Internet. Even I had a "Bag Cell Phone" in my car during > the > early 90's and in 1997 switched to one of the first Motorola "Flip Phones" > which now looks like a .357 Magnum. > > Kids have grown up since then who were never without computers and those > of > us who think of this as only 10 or 15 years ago (it was) often do not > realize that people who are now of age and older do not recall when one > wrote letters, or even knows how to do so. They played Middle School and > even High School pranks via the Web and have known no other world. > > Even WE have to admit that a community listserv is now considered a > high-tech version of "The Backyard Clothesline and Fence" and not a PSA > (Public Service Announcement) forum at all times. > > Therefore, I feel it is up to those of us who have been raised to be > socialized differently (person-person) to perhaps chastise those who step > over the bounds of social and Internet etiquette without resorting to the > same means of personal put-downs that they may use. > > After all, new generations and the technology they grow up with are now > even > quicker than the traditional true generational progression that we have > always known. > > Show patience and go easy on offenders and show them the way without > telling > them to "get a life". One may never know whether or not they may help you > along in our rapidly changing world of technology. > > Regards, > > Wilma > > > On 1/11/05 3:56 PM, "William H. Magill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 11 Jan, 2005, at 08:37, Jennifer Horner wrote: >>> I agree completely with Lauren - the univ city listserve has devolved >>> into a small group of frequent posters sharing in-jokes, with only an >>> occasional (maybe once a week) useful announcement or discussion. The >>> traffic was too much (even when I siphoned it into a separate box) -- >>> I unsubscribed and now rely on pfsni for local info. There is a >>> "culture" listserve (culture@list.purple.com) to which I also >>> subscribe but it doesn't appear to be used that much -- I can't >>> remember how I got on it but maybe someone could share the information >>> with the Penn Alexander rep >> >> The PFSNI mailing list is not and never was a "community" listserv. >> >> It was created as a means for the ORGANIZATION called PFSNI (which has >> not had an existence for many, many years -- the last steering >> committee meeting was in 2000) to communicate amongst its membership. >> >> PFSNI = Penn Faculty and Staff for Neighborhood Interests. >> http://www.pfsni.org/pfsniwhat.html >> "Its goal is to help the University focus and apply its considerable >> resources to preserve and sustain these neighborhoods for generations >> of Penn people to come." >> >> The PFSNI webserver was moved off the main Penn Web >> (www.upenn.edu/pfsni is now a re-direct to www.pfsni.org) server >> several years ago because there was no organization on campus to >> support it. [And in fact, the website hasn't been updated for many >> years, including the [EMAIL PROTECTED] directory, whose entries are pitifully >> obsolete.] >> >> While it is true that today, the membership of the mailing list is >> dominated by non-University individuals, that is not why the list >> exists, but that IS why nobody posts to the list anymore. Yes, traffic >> on the PFSNI list is very low -- simply because it really is obsolete. >> >> Before my retirement in 2002, I tried numerous times to resurrect the >> organization as a viable entity. However, the closest we ever got was >> the April 2000 meeting -- those drafted by-laws were never ratified as >> no further meeting was ever held, even of the Steering Committee. >> >> Today, PFSNI exists solely as a mailing list; solely because once >> something appears on the Internet, it never dies; List maintenance is >> automated. >> >> To subscribe to one or more of the various lists associated with >> University City see: >> >> https://list.purple.com/purple-bin/majordomo >> ^ >> NOTE: | [https, not http] >> >> Enter your email address, select browse "all" and click "go." >> >> "UnivCity-Announce" is, or at least was, cross posted to "UnivCity". >> >> T.T.F.N. >> William H. Magill >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > ---- > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the > list named "UnivCity." 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