Dude, if you usually have an attitude like this I probably did delete it.
What is your point? You haven't added to or clarified anything in the
discussion. I haven't been the one suggesting that this was an OSC matter.
If you understood all the issues, why haven't you chimed in before when the
others were confused? Why didn't you tell folks that a "cow in the library"
would be handled by OSC and not Public Safety?
So how does the OSC information clarify the original issue? It shows
that the "cow in the library" argument was a red herring and I thanked
Cheryl for providing the information at a relevant time. I would have said
OSC had I remembered the name while I kept getting the assertions that it
was probably a non criminal matter. The point remains about the
involvement of the Office of Public Safety as an issue whether there was
also an OSC investigation or not in the individual cases of the students..
I'm sorry I missed your post if I hurt your feelings and thank you for the
information.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elliot M. Stern" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Glenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "University City List" <UnivCity@list.purple.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [UC] Community Court
Glenn,
Again, I would ask you thoroughly to check out http://www.upenn.edu/
osc/outline.htm. Evidently you've ignored my May posting about this.
Elliot
On 05 Jun 2007, at 9:20 AM, Glenn wrote:
We don't know the answers; we know what has been reported.. There is no
Penn information that I could find except that the Office of Public
Safety works with community court.
We have reports of a minor infraction and we indeed have a report that
the "Office of Public Safety" along with UCD apologized to the students.
We're all being stonewalled by UCD. I have not yet confronted Penn
officials about clarification and disclosure of the"internal process" as
the Community Court officer called it.
If the Penn Office of Public Safety has an internal process for handling
academic infractions, they probably should indicate its existence
publicly. This is what I couldn't understand.
Why would the Office of Public Safety be adjudicating these non criminal
minor infractions which have been asserted on the list? I haven't
worked for Penn in over 7 years. Does anyone know, are academic
infractions sent to the Office of Public Safety under Maureen Rush?
When did the policy of "academic infractions" start leading to community
service alongside thiefs, vandals, drug violaters, and prostitutes?
I'm not saying you're not correct about this Cassidy. I'm saying we
don't know. This is an example of the problems that stonewalling causes
and why it is not considered appropriate in the civilized world even if
not encoded in IRS 501 c 3 laws.
Of course, we're in the University City District far from the civilized
democracies of the world!
I'll let the list know what happens when I approach Penn officials.
Sincerely,
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle Cassidy"
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To: "Glenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <UnivCity@list.purple.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:45 AM
Subject: RE: [UC] Community Court
It could also have been an academic infraction, I don't think it
necessarily had to come through the office of public safety. I'm curious
as well, specifically because they don't go into it at all dancing
around with the "minor infraction" thing. Which could have been cheating
on a test, or it could have been sneaking beer into a dry dorm, or
stealing a bagel from My Favorite Muffin.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Glenn
It appears we do indeed have a separate system operating within Penn's
Office of Public Safety. ... I wonder if some people go to community
court and receive a police record while others get unequal privileges
through the "internal process?"
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