The point is that Penn does have a publicly posted disciplinary
policy that states the possibility of discipline taking the form of
community service;
Elliot
On 05 Jun 2007, at 8:46 PM, Glenn wrote:
Dude, if you usually have an attitude like this I probably did
delete it.
What is your point? You haven't added to or clarified anything in
the discussion. I haven't been the one suggesting that this was
an OSC matter. If you understood all the issues, why haven't you
chimed in before when the others were confused? Why didn't you
tell folks that a "cow in the library" would be handled by OSC and
not Public Safety?
So how does the OSC information clarify the original issue? It
shows that the "cow in the library" argument was a red herring and
I thanked Cheryl for providing the information at a relevant time.
I would have said OSC had I remembered the name while I kept
getting the assertions that it was probably a non criminal
matter. The point remains about the involvement of the Office of
Public Safety as an issue whether there was also an OSC
investigation or not in the individual cases of the students..
I'm sorry I missed your post if I hurt your feelings and thank you
for the information.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Elliot M. Stern"
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Subject: Re: [UC] Community Court
Glenn,
Again, I would ask you thoroughly to check out http://
www.upenn.edu/ osc/outline.htm. Evidently you've ignored my May
posting about this.
Elliot
On 05 Jun 2007, at 9:20 AM, Glenn wrote:
We don't know the answers; we know what has been reported..
There is no Penn information that I could find except that the
Office of Public Safety works with community court.
We have reports of a minor infraction and we indeed have a
report that the "Office of Public Safety" along with UCD
apologized to the students. We're all being stonewalled by UCD.
I have not yet confronted Penn officials about clarification and
disclosure of the"internal process" as the Community Court
officer called it.
If the Penn Office of Public Safety has an internal process for
handling academic infractions, they probably should indicate its
existence publicly. This is what I couldn't understand.
Why would the Office of Public Safety be adjudicating these non
criminal minor infractions which have been asserted on the list?
I haven't worked for Penn in over 7 years. Does anyone know,
are academic infractions sent to the Office of Public Safety
under Maureen Rush? When did the policy of "academic
infractions" start leading to community service alongside
thiefs, vandals, drug violaters, and prostitutes?
I'm not saying you're not correct about this Cassidy. I'm
saying we don't know. This is an example of the problems that
stonewalling causes and why it is not considered appropriate in
the civilized world even if not encoded in IRS 501 c 3 laws.
Of course, we're in the University City District far from the
civilized democracies of the world!
I'll let the list know what happens when I approach Penn officials.
Sincerely,
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle Cassidy"
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To: "Glenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <UnivCity@list.purple.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:45 AM
Subject: RE: [UC] Community Court
It could also have been an academic infraction, I don't think it
necessarily had to come through the office of public safety. I'm
curious as well, specifically because they don't go into it at
all dancing around with the "minor infraction" thing. Which
could have been cheating on a test, or it could have been
sneaking beer into a dry dorm, or stealing a bagel from My
Favorite Muffin.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Glenn
It appears we do indeed have a separate system operating within
Penn's Office of Public Safety. ... I wonder if some people go
to community court and receive a police record while others get
unequal privileges through the "internal process?"
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