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From: "Anthony West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "University City List" <UnivCity@list.purple.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: FRAUDULENT POST (Was: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an
update on the UCD investigation)
Really, Glenn? I wouldn't describe committeeman7's style as "arrogant" in
any way. Quite the contrary, it's plain and light. Very cleverly written,
I think. It sounds natural and everyday. An artful trick.
It actually doesn't sound like the way either Ray or you or I write, even
when none of us are being arrogant. Which, without doubt, all three of us
may be accused of justly at times.
No, I think you're incorrect about a couple of things. It is not "very
cleverly written" but I think it's a lot like your arrogant style of
writing.
Let me explain the arrogance of the poster. The poster was trying to frame
me. I have been very clear that I blame UCD policy and secrecy for recent
media reports and not Councilwoman Blackwell or John Fenton. The hubris of
the poster shows as he tries to destroy my credibility, of course, but also
make it look like I was trying to embarass the councilwoman too.
It's so good you contacted the councilwoman about this fraud and reported to
the list. You were also the one that discovered the voteforandytoy fraud,
conducted an investigation, and reported on that too, weren't you? Please
correct me if I'm wrong. I am starting to think of you as always there
Tony.
The hubris of that little scandal was that it was someone that clearly
wanted to get out the Toy message but also point to "listserv politics" and
dissenters as the most likely culprits. You were the one that brought that
report with those conclusions to the list, weren't you? You got really mad
at me when I challenged your conclusions on this list. But don't you see
how the poster was attempting two purposes, setting up misinformation while
framing those he sees as enemies? Mr Toy must have been pleased with you
when you investigated the fraud.
So you see in both cases there is a hubris in the style as the writer is
trying to frame others. In my opinion, the poster is someone who thinks his
writing is "very clever" Framing me is one thing but making the attempt to
make it appear that I was trying to embarass the Councilwoman goes over the
top in view of my posts on this subject. By the way, were Mr Bryan and
Councilwoman Blackwell very pleased that you brought this to their attention
so very very quickly?
Well, I know you are doing an investigation like good old UCD. Do you still
suspect that Ray is involved?
Here is what you said yesterday:
"Ray,
I think your original admission of complicity was plainer, if less discreet.
We'll let it stand."
You also said this, which makes it appear that you suspected all along that
committeeman 7 was me:
"A marvelous propaganda tool for those who see "secret meetings"
and "stonewalls" everywhere, eh?"
I said, oh my gods, those ar my words, "secret meetings" and "stonewalls" I
thought, does Tony think committeeman 7 is me? He's suggesting Ray is a
conspirator, but those seem clearly to be my words. That's when the evidence
came flowing in and the pack assembled as my guilt was proven.
It's no wonder folks started looking at me as a suspect after your fine
reporting and analysis of likely culprits. I wonder what Councilwoman
Blackwell will think when she finds out that the poster also tried to frame
me?
Mr West, keep up that first on the scene investigative reporting. And as
always, I look forward to your brilliant analysis uncovering the likely
suspects before any one else even knows that there's been a fraud. Some
might wonder how does Tony manage to do that "very cleverly?"
Just wondering,
the real Glenn
I'm more concerned about the fact committeeman7 published a malicious,
injurious lie on UC-list than whether he was arrogant or humble as he did
so.
-- Tony West
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Anthony West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "University City List"
<UnivCity@list.purple.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: FRAUDULENT POST (Was: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have
an update on the UCD investigation)
Come to the First Thursday meeting at the Walnut Street Library, 40th and
Walnut Street for an update on the UCD's investigation into Councilwoman
Jannie Blackwell's claim that she asked UCD for help at a community fair
or a political rally for Tom Knox. This should be interesting.
The meeting starts at 8:00am and a light breakfast will be served. Please
inform your neighbors.
Above is the post from committeman 7.
Do we know anyone on this list who likes to make false claims about
others? Anyone who does so in an arrogant style similar to the fraudulent
post?
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