>From what I understand, Kyle works in IT at Penn. Isn't it possible that he just set his list up with a @upenn.edu address because it was convenient for him to do so -- and that there are really no Penn vs. the-rest-of-West-Philly overtones to this? (Other than the fact that Kyle is, in fact, affiliated with Penn -- but so are a lot of people in this neighborhood. In the interests of full disclosure, I am a graduate student at Penn.)
(this isn't directly aimed at Wilma; it just happens that she made the most recent post in a long string of posts to which I've wanted to say this.) Isabel On 7/30/07, Wilma de Soto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's a concern because I always look ahead to the ramifications of present > actions. > > It's a concern because I have been involved with community associations who > tried to steer this neighborhood's development and done lot's of hard work > to make this community better before you have. > > My concern is that it would be no longer a committee or oversight AdHoc > committee that would be able to check that all are included. > > Cyber-space is MUCH too large and if UC Neighbors has upenn.edu domain, > there is NO way longtime battle-scarred residents could compete against the > Penn name, credibility, money etc. > > True open community discourse pro or con as to the development of this > community will be squelched. Today? No. But the door has opened. > > The, "Oh, just let us have a civilized discussion amongst neighbors." is a > straw man that will break the camel's back." > > If you don't agree, fine. Just mark my words. I will not forget what > objections I raised and for what reason and when. > > I know a power play when I see it. THIS time it's something different that > cannot be sorted out or discussed by usual means and could much more > damaging. > > Put the listserv on Google, Yahoo MySpace as Dave Axler told me. Post all > you will and let people find you. > > > > On 7/30/07 1:52 PM, "Mike V." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Why is that a "concern", Wilma? Why are you invested in people not making > an incorrect, easily-correctible assumption? > > - Mike V. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilma > de Soto > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 12:58 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listserv > Subject: Re: JOIN UC NEIGHBORS FOR CIVILIZED CONVERSATION Re: [UC] Since > the real reason for the new list is... > > No one faults people starting a new listserv forum, at least I don't. > Move away as you will. Lke Dave said they could have used Google, Yahoo, > MySpace, whatever. But they didn't. > > My concern is when people see the upenn.edu domain, they will naturally > assume the UC Neighbors Listserv is associated with Penn (since they are > using Penn's domain. This would lead people to believe that the new > listserv is more legitimate and more credible that the UC Listserv. I also > feel it will add to further vilification of participants on this listserv. > > Your post title certainly indicates to me that has already begun, along > with accusations of conspiracy theories etc. > > Those who deny that is the case especially when handbills are passed to > recruit new people, are not being entirely honest with themselves. Also, > people who wanted to form the new listserv are not being entirely honest by > saying they have only been the victim of vituperation on list and never the > perpetrator. > > > On 7/30/07 12:28 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 7/30/07 11:45:03 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > ......Kyle didn't start the UCNeighbor list because he was being > childish or selfish and walking away with his bat and ball. He started it > because the communication on this listserv is becoming petty, myopic and > insulting. It's also becoming a crowded room (virtually speaking) with some > loud voices trying to drown out the once speaking in a normal tone. Some > people do act like they own this list and like to think that they can > dictate and frame the conversation and debates that occur here. Many people > have started doing the serial deleting of [UC]-labelled emails, because > it's become less relevant and helpful to the average UC resident. I don't > know about you, but this puts people a hair-trigger away from leaving the > listserv and the community discussion that occurs here. No one is excluded > or protected on Kyle's new listserv either. You can still take the > conversation there, if you want to, and your bat and ball. > > This weekend, the heavy-handed people on the purple list found out that > their readers now have the option to move away, and clearly, they don't > want that to happen. So - did they offer to moderate their language and > help develop a set of guidelines? No, they became even more heavy-handed! > Several attacked Bruce Anderson for suggesting guidelines. Some even > tried to blame Jon Herrmann, who wrote that he had not read the last 13,000 > emails posted on the purple list in the last 15 months - now, that shows how > involved HE is, doesn't it? Some renewed conspiracy theories, one > generated new spoof posts, and as usual, a small but noisy group attacked > the person who saw a need to do something and actually DID it. > > But, why should we be stuck with a dysfunctional list which will not > change? > > I came in for criticism for saying it would be heaven to be on a list > without one particularly voluminous ranter who has focused on me, sometimes > alarmingly. Why would I want to be on a list with member who sends out > fantasy emails about what he wants to have happen to me in Clark Park? > Why would I recommend that the buyers and sellers I work with join a > listserv where they'd read that kind of stuff with my name in it, where a > neighborhood fanatic would single me out for ridicule though I've never > even met the man? Is it any surprise I think it will be "heaven" to be on > a list where that sort of email isn't likely to be tolerated? > > Kyle CAN ban that individual on the new list, but he won't, if the > individual is civil to his fellow list members. Anyone can sign up, and > the archives are public, so even non members can read what's written. > There's no conspiracy and lots of transparency. > > I'm afraid that "spoof" addresses have been posted more often than the > actual one for Kyle's new list, so I'll include it again here to counteract > the usual poster of misinformation. > > http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/mailman/listinfo/ucneighbors > > <http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/mailman/listinfo/ucneighbors> > - Melani Lamond > > > ************************************** > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > > ---- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see <http://www.purple.com/list.html>.
