The list is far from moribund, Craig and Al. I checked and it has 322 subscribers. The fact that the "popu-list" is the place which comes alive when discussions about the hotel or secret public forums are before us, shows its health.
Also the fact that the volume of posts goes down at other times also indicates a civil healthy forum to me.(The incivility has completely disappeared since the tricks of the cheese gang have been confronted by lots of us. It will take time before others will trust making more thoughtful risky posts. Barking cheese only started a year ago and the last of the cheesehead anointed only recently slowed the bullying here. After years of domination, it will take time) "But, it was fun butting heads with Kyle and that ninja pacifist Mennonite." The mennonite said that all of the head banging was the reason that people subscribed. The headbanging accounted for a big portion of the high volume of posts. But people aren't lurkers on a community forum, anymore than reading letters to the editor without writing them, is lurking. There was a high volume of posts a year ago, yet discussions weren't happening. I think a lot of people didn't like all the headbanging and the prime headbangers even used that point to justify a censored list. (The noise from a high volume was the other reason.) The list seems healthy and appropriate now as a free wheeling community forum. There are announcements, opinions, and ad hoc discussions when the community is threatened. All done with civility- It had been dominated by a mean-spirited clique and had a lot of pro UCD advertising a year ago. The idle chit-chat that I saw on Barking Cheese (before they made their archives secret), wasn't harmful noise for a public forum. But most people have told me that Barking Cheese is very boring unless you're part of the clique around the founding members. Some feel the intimidation to have a nice chatty non-controversial controlled list stifles them. It doesn't bother me that Barking Cheese is boring. The various issues it raises about university sponsored censorship bother me a lot! This list seems healthy. Best, A leftist PS: I still don't know what to think about this video. One thing for sure, it's far out! ----- Original Message ----- From: Craigsolve To: univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: calling for the murder of 18th District police officers - was Re: [UC] trap needed In a message dated 06/27/08 10:32:49 Eastern Daylight Time, Krfapt writes: Sweet Barking Cheese list ... may now be as moribund as this has become. _________________________________________________________________ That's one of the byproducts of community driven or institutionalized speech-control. And, most of us are loathe to be labeled enemies of the University errrr uhhh State. But, it was fun butting heads with Kyle and that ninja pacifist Mennonite. And, we don't want on-list to advertise nut cases, like the human intellectual puke below. Now maybe, he has some constitutional right to practice his art form and we have a right to publicly ostracize him for his morals and values. Mayor Nutter, his buds, and at least some faculty at UPenn do want to get all those non-violent offenders out of prison and mainstream them into a more compassionate supportive society. Oh, Mr Bill, please not in UC. Shaking my head over how boring this list has become and how exciting art as life is. Oh yeah, and the hood is still safe, Tony. As long as you are not the subject of aberrant violent behavior. Ciao, Craig Posted on Fri, Jun. 27, 2008 Man arrested for anti-cop YouTube clip http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20080627_Man_arrested_for_anti-cop_YouTube_clip.html By DAVID GAMBACORTA Philadelphia Daily News [EMAIL PROTECTED] 215-854-5994 It took just a few weeks for Andre Moore to go from YouTube to the slammer. Members of the state attorney general's Gun Violence Task Force announced Moore's abrupt career change yesterday morning by smashing a battering ram through the door of his West Philadelphia apartment. The 44-year-old was arrested for calling for the murder of 18th District police officers in a video titled "Dissin' Philly Cops" that he posted on YouTube on June 6, law-enforcement officials said. Moore, who's now been suspended from his job as a security guard at Albert Einstein Medical Center, was less than subtle in his performance. While waving a gun through the air, Moore said, "I rejoice whenever they shoot a cop in Philadelphia because I hate them," according to a court affidavit containing a transcript of the video. Later on, he offered instructions on to how to murder cops: "All we need is a Colt .275 to do it. Look, it's easy. You got the chamber, let it go off . . . anywhere in the head or heart . . . continue killing the 18th District police." The officials said that Moore's 12-year-old son, Andre Jr., filmed the volatile video, and another underage relative held a gun in a second video that Moore posted on YouTube using the screen name "lildre502." The videos are no longer available on YouTube. Moore's wife, Tamara, expressed outrage over the incident during a phone interview last night. "I knew nothing about any of this," she said. "Me, my son and our family are very much humiliated by the act Andre did. "Whatever happens to him, happens. My job is being jeopardized because of this." Investigators said that District Attorney Lynne Abraham and state Attorney General Tom Corbett became aware of the videos about two weeks ago. They charged Moore with aggravated assault, corruption of minors, terroristic threats and harassment. "Obviously, the charges could be challenged in court, but that's out of our hands," said police spokesman Lt. Frank Vanore. "You have rights, but that doesn't mean you can say something like this." According to court records, Moore was sentenced to five years' probation in 1994 after pleading guilty to charges of simple assault, recklessly endangering another person, resisting arrest and disorderly conduct stemming from an arrest the previous year. An Einstein spokesman said last night that he had "no knowledge" of Moore's criminal history. The hospital has suspended Moore, pending further investigation, he said. Police officials were further irked by the fact that Moore worked at the same hospital where Officer Chuck Cassidy died last November after he was shot interrupting a robbery. "It's a shame he was able to work in a place where one of our officers was taken," said FOP president John McNesby. "He's scum of the earth, and there's not much more you can say about it than that." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get the Moviefone Toolbar. 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