The list is far from moribund, Craig and Al. I checked and it has 322
subscribers. The fact that the "popu-list" is the place which comes alive when
discussions about the hotel or secret public forums are before us, shows its
health.
Also the fact that the volume of posts goes down at other times also indicates
a civil healthy forum to me.(The incivility has completely disappeared since
the tricks of the cheese gang have been confronted by lots of us. It will take
time before others will trust making more thoughtful risky posts. Barking
cheese only started a year ago and the last of the cheesehead anointed only
recently slowed the bullying here. After years of domination, it will take
time)
"But, it was fun butting heads with Kyle and that ninja pacifist Mennonite."
The mennonite said that all of the head banging was the reason that people
subscribed. The headbanging accounted for a big portion of the high volume of
posts. But people aren't lurkers on a community forum, anymore than reading
letters to the editor without writing them, is lurking. There was a high
volume of posts a year ago, yet discussions weren't happening. I think a lot
of people didn't like all the headbanging and the prime headbangers even used
that point to justify a censored list. (The noise from a high volume was the
other reason.)
The list seems healthy and appropriate now as a free wheeling community forum.
There are announcements, opinions, and ad hoc discussions when the community is
threatened. All done with civility-
It had been dominated by a mean-spirited clique and had a lot of pro UCD
advertising a year ago. The idle chit-chat that I saw on Barking Cheese
(before they made their archives secret), wasn't harmful noise for a public
forum. But most people have told me that Barking Cheese is very boring unless
you're part of the clique around the founding members. Some feel the
intimidation to have a nice chatty non-controversial controlled list stifles
them.
It doesn't bother me that Barking Cheese is boring. The various issues it
raises about university sponsored censorship bother me a lot! This list seems
healthy.
Best,
A leftist
PS: I still don't know what to think about this video. One thing for sure,
it's far out!
----- Original Message -----
From: Craigsolve
To: univcity@list.purple.com
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 3:00 PM
Subject: calling for the murder of 18th District police officers - was Re:
[UC] trap needed
In a message dated 06/27/08 10:32:49 Eastern Daylight Time, Krfapt writes:
Sweet Barking Cheese list ... may now be as moribund as this has become.
_________________________________________________________________
That's one of the byproducts of community driven or institutionalized
speech-control. And, most of us are loathe to be labeled enemies of the
University errrr uhhh State. But, it was fun butting heads with Kyle and that
ninja pacifist Mennonite.
And, we don't want on-list to advertise nut cases, like the human
intellectual puke below. Now maybe, he has some constitutional right to
practice his art form and we have a right to publicly ostracize him for his
morals and values. Mayor Nutter, his buds, and at least some faculty at UPenn
do want to get all those non-violent offenders out of prison and mainstream
them into a more compassionate supportive society. Oh, Mr Bill, please not in
UC.
Shaking my head over how boring this list has become and how exciting art as
life is. Oh yeah, and the hood is still safe, Tony. As long as you are not the
subject of aberrant violent behavior.
Ciao,
Craig
Posted on Fri, Jun. 27, 2008
Man arrested for anti-cop YouTube clip
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20080627_Man_arrested_for_anti-cop_YouTube_clip.html
By DAVID GAMBACORTA
Philadelphia Daily News
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 215-854-5994
It took just a few weeks for Andre Moore to go from YouTube to the slammer.
Members of the state attorney general's Gun Violence Task Force announced
Moore's abrupt career change yesterday morning by smashing a battering ram
through the door of his West Philadelphia apartment.
The 44-year-old was arrested for calling for the murder of 18th District
police officers in a video titled "Dissin' Philly Cops" that he posted on
YouTube on June 6, law-enforcement officials said.
Moore, who's now been suspended from his job as a security guard at Albert
Einstein Medical Center, was less than subtle in his performance.
While waving a gun through the air, Moore said, "I rejoice whenever they
shoot a cop in Philadelphia because I hate them," according to a court
affidavit containing a transcript of the video.
Later on, he offered instructions on to how to murder cops: "All we need is a
Colt .275 to do it. Look, it's easy. You got the chamber, let it go off . . .
anywhere in the head or heart . . . continue killing the 18th District police."
The officials said that Moore's 12-year-old son, Andre Jr., filmed the
volatile video, and another underage relative held a gun in a second video that
Moore posted on YouTube using the screen name "lildre502."
The videos are no longer available on YouTube.
Moore's wife, Tamara, expressed outrage over the incident during a phone
interview last night.
"I knew nothing about any of this," she said. "Me, my son and our family are
very much humiliated by the act Andre did.
"Whatever happens to him, happens. My job is being jeopardized because of
this."
Investigators said that District Attorney Lynne Abraham and state Attorney
General Tom Corbett became aware of the videos about two weeks ago.
They charged Moore with aggravated assault, corruption of minors, terroristic
threats and harassment.
"Obviously, the charges could be challenged in court, but that's out of our
hands," said police spokesman Lt. Frank Vanore. "You have rights, but that
doesn't mean you can say something like this."
According to court records, Moore was sentenced to five years' probation in
1994 after pleading guilty to charges of simple assault, recklessly endangering
another person, resisting arrest and disorderly conduct stemming from an arrest
the previous year.
An Einstein spokesman said last night that he had "no knowledge" of Moore's
criminal history. The hospital has suspended Moore, pending further
investigation, he said.
Police officials were further irked by the fact that Moore worked at the same
hospital where Officer Chuck Cassidy died last November after he was shot
interrupting a robbery.
"It's a shame he was able to work in a place where one of our officers was
taken," said FOP president John McNesby. "He's scum of the earth, and there's
not much more you can say about it than that."
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