We have been listening to Bush and recently McCain vagaries for eight years. 
They respond to questions with comments like: "its just the right thing to do," 
"those people hate freedom," "I looked into his eyes and saw his soul," and the 
like. I just want to make sure that we don't slip into vagaries with 
President-elect Obama. 

If you want to support him (as I do), then let's be mature and intelligent 
about it (while also being very excited!).

Best,
jm

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Dr. Justin McDaniel
Dept. of Religious Studies
3046 INTN
University of California, Riverside
Riverside, CA 92521
951-827-4530
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


---- Original message ----
>Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:40:31 -0500
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
>Subject: Re: [UC] My Favorite Obamas  
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], univcity@list.purple.com
>
>   "He is a well-organized, decisive, calm, and
>   intelligent person".
>
>   These are all signs of a great leader. Signs, that
>   I, personally, can feel through the delivery of his
>   speeches and his presence. If you cannot "feel" a
>   speaker just the same as you can hear the message
>   than that's your chosen or sculpted personality. I
>   choose to take in the entire presentation of his
>   speeches/interviews and not just the message, a
>   message which I've humbly backed since 2004. Also,
>   if you cannot "feel" leadership than maybe you've
>   never been on a team (of any type) that had a
>   respectable leader who makes you feel comfortable in
>   following, some may just simply call it trust. 
>   I did not say he can walk on water, I am fully aware
>   that he is not the Messiah and realize that he is
>   just as human as you and I. What's so extravagant or
>   excessive about noting his "HUMAN greatness"? It is
>   still possible to be a great human being in politics
>   right? I could see If I said something
>   like "Immortal, Godlike Super Greatness". That would
>   qualify, in my mind, as cult-like reverence.
>   And, come to think of it, I would not mind having
>   dinner with him either. There's nothing "wishy
>   washy" about having respect for, and hope
>   with, your future President. 
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; univcity@list.purple.com
>   Sent: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 4:37 pm
>   Subject: Re: [UC] My Favorite Obamas
>
> I voted for Barack Obama. I am a hyper-liberal when it comes to politics. I 
> also
> believe that despite his inexperience in national and international politcs, 
> he
> was the most honorable and intellectually curious of the candidates. After the
> last eight years and with the trying times ahead, we need fresh ideas and an
> intelligent and calm leader.
>
> This said, the liberal cause is cheapened when we defend Obama with comments
> from [EMAIL PROTECTED] like:
>
>  "In my opinion, if anyone cannot see the human greatness
> >   within Barack Obama, it's because they do not
> >   want to see it. They "select" not to for a number of
> >   reasons. Policies and! platforms aside, the guy
> >   resonates with a natural born leadership that you
> >   can just feel."
>
> This comment is not based on fact, but wishy washy Obama-love. These are the
> comments for which conservatives rightly criticize liberals. "Human 
> greatness,"
> "Natural born leadership that you can just feel" -- please. Please do not 
> treat
> President-elect Obama like he a teen heartthrob that you dream of having 
> dinner
> with. He is a well-organized, decisive, calm, and intelligent person (as far 
> as
> we can tell from speeches and his relatively short record). He may indeed, 
> and I
> surely hope, a great leader. His policies on the environment, economy, and
> social justice are clearly well-reasoned and well-advised. However, when we
> state that we can "just feel" his natural born leadership (and don't know how
> you "feel" leadership anyway?), it does sound like we are mindless members of 
> a
> cul
>
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