Tony, I promised myself I would not speak on this again, but at the risk of gainsaying my own principles I need to clarify things.
I already stated the disparaging of the purple listserv is not the purpuse or reason may subscribers to UCNeighbors post or subscribe to the list. However, the founder and those either close to him or agree with him forming the listserv do. The phrases, " we're civilized over here", " there's nothing but crazies at the purple listserv", "pro-decay forces", "higher neighborhood input", "lower neighborhood input", to wit those who post on UnivCity listserv versus those on UCNeighbors, did not come from me or anyone else who recalls the environment that led to the new listserv. Remarks by the UCNeighbors listserv founder such as, "I can pre-ban Glenn" and the accompanying chortles about this are considered to be rude behavior by me. Pre-banning people in the community, making UCNeighbors archives private etc. and the subsequent weak-kneed justifications of this policy remind me of the practices of restricted communities. Perhaps it's just me, as I said before, by having a different cultural experience, but I can almost hear phrases such as, "We're not prejudiced here; we just like to keep our community a certain way." In my experience, right or wrong, if your gut tells you something it's for a reason and that's the reaction I felt when UCNeighbors was born. I agree with you that the planned community approach has nothing to with a listserv and that is my point; especially in an area with so many different types of people that live and work in UC. None of the above has anything to do with Dahlak or any other business in the area, which although I have not been there for a while, would still be open for me to patronize as a customer. I too dislike rude behavior in public places as well as in my own home. If it were my home or place of business, you can be certain I would enforce standards of decorum. On 4/2/10 10:01 AM, "Anthony West" <anthony_w...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Wilma, > > As far as I know, nobody on UCNeighbors ever disparages anybody who > posts on Purple. It's only people on Purple who disparage people who > post on Purple, or on any other list for that matter. This is the only > listserve where neighbors disparage neighbors at times. I wish it > weren't so, but it is. > > Your remarks about "planned communities" don't seem to have any bearing > on a listserve. If you go into Dahlak for a drink, you are entering a > "planned community". Rude public behavior is discouraged and can in > theory be enforced. In practice, everybody gets along well there. How's > that for city life? > > -- Tony West > > > > On 4/2/2010 8:36 AM, Wilma de Soto wrote: >> Tony, >> >> In your response to Kimm with the term "pro-decay forces", is a fine example >> of the mindset behind the forming of the UCNeighbors listserv. >> >> Let me say that derision of the UnivCity listserv is not the primary reason >> for many of the subscribers to UCNeighbors, but it is for the founder and >> several people close to him. Kyle's motives were anything but inscutable. >> >> I cannot forget the comments such as, "were civilized over here", there's >> nothing but crazies at the purple listserv". Right on up to the latest >> comments about "higher neighborhood input versus lower neighborhood input", >> "pro-decay forces." >> >> In fairness, I have to acknowledge my reticence to join UCNeighbors may be a >> question of cultural differences. I have lived in the city my entire life. I >> have no personal experience with planned communities, or suburban >> communities whose make-up is much less diverse and who seek to ban "the >> other" from their midst. >> >> Those sorts of communities that are deliberately set up to exclude certain >> types of people for whatever reasons are incompatible to my existence and >> cultural mindset. >> >> However, the people who formed UCNeighbors may have had experience with >> these sort of communities and actually like them and prefer them to the >> "takes all kinds" approach of the purple listserv. The fact they closed >> their archives from the public did not suggest neighborliness to me at its >> onset. >> >> UCNeighbors may have evolved into just stimulating community discussion now >> and I say good. Its original premise as well as the continued disparagement >> of people on this listserv is the reason why I, in good conscious, cannot >> join them no matter how many nice people are subscribed there. >> >> My apologies for my viewpoint and shortcomings on this topic. >> > > ---- > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the > list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see > <http://www.purple.com/list.html>. ---- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see <http://www.purple.com/list.html>.
