You wanted to insult Mike, and the only thing you could think of was
to insinuate that he's gay. Why is that?

I think it says a _lot_ more about your attitudes than any of this
"some of my best friends are" gibberish.



On 10/5/11, Richard Conrad <rdcon...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Dear Brian,
>
> Mike said what he said,  "as classy as a truckstop bathroom, ...and half as
> pleasant"  I called it  "bathroom humor" and asked if he used it "with
> lovers", 'people he wished to humiliate, or all of the above'.
>
> If I loathed gay people then why do I love them?  Ask yourself the
> accusation, before you accuse...  You are an irritant in accusing me so
> tenaciously, but I don't loathe you.
>
> Loathe with your own loather Brian, not mine.  I'm not sure why you feel I
> loathe... you seem to be in a real lather about my (lack of) loathing.
>
> I don't even half loathe gay people, though I've heard it said 'half a
> loathe is better than none'!
>
> I wish Mike would stop ragging on Glenn, I wish William H. Magill would stop
> ragging on Glenn and I, and I wish you would stop ragging on Glenn or on me,
> or on whomsoever does not agree with you.   Lots of love Brian.
>
> Rick Conrad
>
> On Oct 5, 2011, at 10:53 PM, Brian Siano wrote:
>
>> You wanted to insult Mike Van Helder, and you did this by insinuating
>> that he's gay. Clearly, you see homosexuality as something ugly and
>> shameful. Don't try to torture this into anything but what it is: your
>> loathing of gay people.
>>
>> You may not have liked Mike's line about truckstop bathrooms, but it
>> wasn't a _slur against gay people_.
>>
>> On 10/5/11, Richard Conrad <rdcon...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> It was a question - of rhetoric - Brian.  Tell the truth, I didn't think
>>> that you thought there was anything intrinsically slur-ful about
>>> homosexuality, Brian... and besides I was referring in rhetorical fashion
>>> to
>>> the more sinister and violent forms of homo-erotic cruelty, not to any
>>> normal or healthy sorts of homo-eroticisms...
>>>
>>> Judgement (as beauty and cogency) is also frequently a matter for the
>>> 'mind
>>> of the beholder' caveat!
>>>
>>> You stooped to the use of 'gutter-level bigotry' not me.
>>>
>>> Mike called Glenn  "as classy as a truckstop bathroom, ...and half as
>>> pleasant" or did you miss that one Brian?
>>>
>>> I've referred to Mike's use of "bathroom humor" as being a deviant use of
>>> the familiar and unworthy of any thing one could call loving response.
>>> It,
>>> unlike Glenn's clever and cogent poem, was unkind, unsubtle, and rather
>>> banal.  It attacked without allowing for feelings or thoughts.
>>>
>>> Bill had previously been a bit unfeeling and crude in his 'resigning' but
>>> slurring statement:  "I did not intend to feed the trolls, but their
>>> incessant, idiotic, incoherent ramblings and constant reiteration of the
>>> Party Line,  tend to grossly offend any thinking person.  Therefore,
>>> goodbye."
>>>> William H. Magill
>>>> Block Captain
>>> 4400 Chestnut Street"
>>>
>>> As far as peoples opinions about homosexuality... I did not make a slur
>>> against the concept, life-style, extant notion(s), or erotic preference.
>>> Did you?  I leave the issue for you to decide, I can't speak for you.  I
>>> have generally preferred the term homo-erotocism as homo-sexuality can
>>> tend
>>> to lead to confusion, and while generativity is certainly not always
>>> hetero-sexual... "sexual" reproduction in which biological meiosis
>>> recombination produces a viable zygote seems to have tended quite
>>> exclusively in the direction of hetero-partnering.
>>>
>>> P.S.  I assume you are referring to me as 'Rich', though you have never
>>> known me to use that name, rather:  Rick Conrad, or Richard Conrad...
>>> Please
>>> at this time I ask... do not call me Rich, Brian, if you would be so
>>> kind.
>>> :>)
>>>
>>> "Can't we all just try to get along"  - Rodney King
>>>
>>> Rick Conrad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 5, 2011, at 5:17 PM, Brian Siano wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's shameful that Rich would leap to slurs about homosexuality.
>>>>
>>>> Argue all you want, call each other names all you want, but Rich's
>>>> gutter-level bigotry is just revolting.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/5/11, Richard Conrad <rdcon...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> when you gotta go...  you really gotta go...  SO GO!
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you use your bathroom 'humor' with your lovers too Mike or just
>>>>> those
>>>>> you
>>>>> want to make humbled...  hmmm, maybe they are the same set of
>>>>> members...
>>>>> maybe you actually want to both humiliate Glenn and also be his
>>>>> lover...
>>>>> like the huckleberry dude in the movie Tombstone?
>>>>>
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