>On Saturday, March 30, 2002, at 03:00 , (Unsupported OS X) wrote:
>
>>>>> I standby my statement that ATI screwed up big time with the drivers
> >>>> for this card.
My statement is based in part on the fact that the ATI 7000 was sold
for use with Beige G3 machines and newer.It does not work with the
Beige G3 machine!A work around is to remove all ATI drivers in
OSX...which I would think would mean it's not accelerated. Ted
Osborn states in his post that people have gotten it to work
accelerated. I'd like to know how this was done! There are reports at
www.xlr8yourmac.com that some people have gotten beta drivers from
ATI for use with the Beige G3 and this card. So it would seem that
ATI may release replacements for the defective drivers.I'm sorry if
that pushes some peoples buttons. I feel that is correct because the
supplied drivers do not work with the Apple supported in OSX Beige G3
and the first batch of ATI 7000 cards were sold as working with the
Beige G3. ATI must have failed to test the card with the Beige G3 but
if so why did they expect it to work? Drivers for the Beige G3 would
be great because drivers that work with that machine would likely
also work with OLD World Macs/ clones.
>
>2: Apple does not support some machines running X, so why should ATI?
I think that would be surprised how many 7000 cards they would sell.
Support or not as long as they work.
>3: Apple is a hardware company, and the smaller the hardware base to
>program for is the most productive.
> Has Apple stopped anyone from using X on unsupported machines? No, it
>works to Apple's advantage, if you try X on an unsupported machine
> then you just might by new hardware from them.
As the guy who helped supply clone support to Ryan Rempel for
XPostFacto I can tell you Apple has spend sometime removing Support
for old World Macs. Every issue of OX has made it harder to run OSX
on Older machines.
>4: ATI can only support machines properly supported by the computer
>manufacturer. Does Apple make any money from machines they sold
> 7 years ago? So why spend more R&D money on them
See your above statement about buying new hardware from Apple ;-)
>5: ATI has put the beginnings of support in the Radeon PCI series of
>cards for unsupported machines, a side effect do to the similarities in
> the respective graphics hardware of such machines.
This is true of the Radeon Mac Edition card no longer being made.
Somehow this support disappeared in the Radeon 700. It seems to have
been done by accident because they sold the card as working with the
Beige G3 but it doesn't. Video in the Beige G3 has more in common
with old World Macs then the new ones. Apple supports the Beige G3.
>
>Unsupported machines are just that, unsupported. If we can make
>something work that is not supposed, then great, but flaming companies
>for doing what comes naturally is a waste of time and energy. It's
>foolish to put ourselves into a position that we expect others to get
>'save' us. We all have to take responsibility for our own actions, not
>use others as our scape goats.
Why my expecting ATI to provide support as listed on the box of the
ATI 7000 is a flame of the company is beyond my understanding. Since
the ATI Radeon card works I can see no reason why the new card
doesn't. ATI is seems is working on this problem since some people
have gotten beta drivers.
I am sorry that more then one person seems to be offended by
me thinking ATI is missing the boot on this card.I think they will
profit well by fixing the defective driver problem. Will S
A note to ATI letting them know you would like to see drivers for
this card would be more helpful then flaming me!
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