Gerald Wilson wrote: > Clearly we're not going to agree. > > I can see numerous counter-arguments. Amongst these are: > > 1. The licence for Mac OS X Public Beta. Which is explicitly time and > version-limited. Which shows that Apple are perfectly capable of > specifying these matters in a licence when they choose to do so. > > 2. The selling of Mac OS X 10.0, and 10.1, and their server > equivalents. People buying these *expected* that their money would buy > useful, working operating systems - that they would "get what they > paid for". That was the "spirit of the agreement", as you put it. In > practice, 10.0 is so crippled as to be unusable. 10.1 is just useable > as an evaluation system, but has so many limitations that I found - > after extensive evaluation - that I was obliged to advise clients > against any attempt to use it in a production environment. Likewise > 10.1 server. Runs without falling over, but simply fails correctly to > provide all the functions it claims on the box. In fairness, Apple > recognised the limitations of 10.0 and provided the updates to 10.1 > automatically at nominal cost. But Apple did not provide any > affordable upgrade path to 10.2, which is the point where OS X became > useable. This is especially galling for users of 10.1 server who find > that they have shelled out serious money for an essentially unusable > product, with no resale value. A quick glance at afp548 shows how > completely it has been abandoned. > > Don't lecture me on honesty. I have always been scrupulously honest in > my procurement and allocation of software licences. My honesty has not > always been rewarded by similar fair play on the part of my suppliers, > who have sometimes supplied me with far less than what I paid for. > There are words for this in English. "Rip-off", "con", "corporate > scam" all leap to mind. > > Admittedly, I'm a bit cross with Apple today, as I stare at my > uncommunicative iceBook which has suffered the Black Screen of Death. > To their credit, Apple have created the "Expanded iBook Logic Repair > Extension Program" to deal with this catastrophic global plague, and > with luck I will be covered. The projected repair time in the UK is > only two months, so that's good to know (???). Thank God the back-up > system (pismo) still works, and can run Tiger after the week-end. > > I've heard that Dell and IBM make reliable notebooks. Maybe running > Fedora on a stinkpad would make better sense than trying to keep up > with OS X, for so little practical reward. > > Please cite the court-cases. I would like to read them. > > GWW > > On Wednesday, Apr 27, 2005, at 20:14 Europe/London, David M. Ensteness > wrote: > >> My point - to be succinct: >> >> While you can argue and nitpick the terms looking for justifications >> to use a 5-pack license from 10.2 for 10.4, the spirit of the >> agreement does not include use for newer versions. >> >> Its the "trying to get more than what I paid for" justification that >> you use which creates more legal banter and confuses the common sense >> of such things even further. >> >> The fact is, no one bought Mac OS X v.10.2 Family Pack expecting that >> they got rights to future products and Apple never intended to imply >> that. >> >> So if your argument really comes down to "look at the loop hole I >> found!" Great. All I am saying is its not honest because *neither* of >> the two parties involved in the agreement intended it. >> >> David >> >> On Apr 27, 2005, at 4:06 AM, Gerald Wilson wrote: >> >> -- >> Unsupported OS X is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> >> >> Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html> >> >> Unsupported OS X list info <http://lowendmac.com/lists/unsupported.html> >> --> AOL users, remove "mailto:"; >> Send list messages to: <mailto:[email protected]> >> To unsubscribe, email: >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> For digest mode, email: >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Archive >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/unsupportedosx%40mail.maclaunch.com/> >> >> iPod Accessories for Less >> at 1-800-iPOD.COM >> Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal >> www.1800ipod.com > > > I'm now running Fedora on a Compaq z3000, amd64 laptop very happily - admittedly without using either the built-in card reader or the wireless, but others seem to have made these work - at the moment I don't need them. Although I support OS X (both 10.2 and 10.3) in a school environment, I find Linux preferable partly because I don't even have to think about licensing issues, and upgrade piecemeal when and as I need to.
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