I'm running Tiger (10.4.2) on an 8600 with the Sonnet G4/800 upgrade. I
upgraded to Tiger using a Pioneer Firewire DVD drive. I have 80g and
30g hard drives and a Tempo Trio card. This is my only computer
(besides a IISi I've been monkeying on with netBSD). If this computer
goes down, I'm done. It doesn't go down.
I use SuperDuper! to back up the 20g Tiger partition from the 80g drive
to the 30g drive. Works fine, no problems once I installed the Tiger
upgrade for SuperDuper!. I do not have Carbon Copy Cloner.
I use the Apple Disc Utility from my OS 9.2.2 system to format and
partition the hard drives, and the one on Tiger for any CD and DVD disc
stuff I have to do. When I first installed Panther on the 80g drive, I
didn't have the firewire drive. I used the disc utility from the 9.1
install cd to partition 8g in the first "drive". After running the
installation, I SuperDuper!ed it to the first 20g partition on the 30g
drive, and installed 9.2.2 on the remainder. I then booted from 9.2.2,
repartioned the 80g drive to allow 20g for the the first partition,
booted from the clone on the 30g drive, then cloned Panther back onto
that 20g partition. I then installed 9.2.2 on the second partition of
the 80g drive (a 6g partition). When I upgraded to Tiger, I didn't have
to do any of these repartitioning machinations. The upgrade took, no
problem. (I had more problems upgrading a friend's B&W.) All of this
was done using Xpostfacto, of course.
The only other thing I've done is to run Cocktail's "Repair Disc
Permissions", though I don't know how much this has helped with reliability.
I agree the real problem you are having is the regular system crashes.
What CPU are you running? Have you upgraded the hard drive, and/or the
drive controller?
I also agree the B&W G3s are now too cheap to ignore. If you're having
this much trouble with the 8500s, it may be time to move up. I would,
but other than bus speed, I can't see any reason to change what I have.
Mark in Westminster CO
Unsupported OS X wrote:
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 18:07:47 -0400
Subject: Maintaining Unsupported OS X Macs
From: macfan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I have a curiosity question for everyone on this list about maintaining
unsupported OS X Macs. About every 3 or 4 months one of my unsupported
Macs goes down and I end up having to reinstall the OS X System
Software. This is a real pain especially in my Power Macintosh 8500s as
I have to take them all apart and swap the CD burner for a high speed
Apple Drive to reinstall the OS X software. I know there are two keys
to solving this problem: 1. Backing up and 2. A good disk repair
utility. Both of these keys present problems in and of themselves. On
the back up side I only know of one piece of software that might work
with an unsupported OS X System install, Carbon Copy Cloner. I was
hoping SuperDuper might work but when I emailed the author he stated he
wasn't too sure about that and that even if it would it would probably
take the help of the Carbon Copy Cloner software to get the clone copy
to boot. The Dantz, Retrospect web site states that Retrospect won't
see all of the invisible files of an unsupported install. So my first
question is what is everyone using to back up an unsupported OS X
install? Then comes the problem of a disk utility. First off, I find
the Apple Disk Utility about useless and it won't work on a boot volume
anyway. I have also found its unix cousin about the same as well as a
little dangerous as I have come out with more problems than I started
with after using it. I have tries Norton Disk Utilities but find it hit
and miss and more miss than hit. I have just ordered DiskWarrior and
can't wait to try that. All of these utilities on CD though have an
inherent problem that I haven't figured out a way around. None of them
will boot up the computer from the CD to repair it because to start our
systems you need a "hacked"system. My second question then is what disk
repair utility are you using and what version? Then part two of that
question is how are you booting from it so that you can repair you boot
drive? Thank you in advance for all of your help and suggestions.
Bob K.
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