I like it. I'll tell Celeste about this later. Is that okay? :)
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Kirk Bridger <[email protected]> wrote: > I think there are two paths to start down: > > 1 - Find a pattern library we all like and want to grow from/use. "We all" > being the various desktop teams. This would be a cross-team initiative so > we may need to start with just getting representation. > > 2 - Begin/continue building the Gnome library based on the existing pattern > approach in the newest HIG. There may be some changes made to the HIG page > template if we look at it from the point of view of instantiating a > pattern. Reference the pattern rather than recreate it - delve into the > details of the solution. > > > Perhaps a third path: document and clarify the difference between the two > things. Gain acceptance of this approach with other desktop teams, etc. > > > The third one might be the most important to start right now. I'll > certainly offer to help out with #3 to begin with! > > How does this sound? Any thoughts, refinements, or other ideas? > > > Kirk > > > On 09/07/2010 08:28 PM, Allan Caeg wrote: > > I agree with Kirk. The two desktops can share the same UI patterns, but > they may have different "components" or whatever it's called. > > Where do you think can we start? > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Kirk Bridger <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm actually tackling a similar problem in my "real job" right now. >> >> I found this to be an interesting look at what a pattern library is and >> what it should not be<http://www.uie.com/articles/components_vs_patterns/>. >> It's a quick read that could then lead to an interesting discussion. >> >> For example, button ordering might not belong at the level of a pattern as >> it doesn't really describe a problem and solution, but rather an >> implementation of a component (or whatever term can be used). >> >> So perhaps the pattern library itself could be cross-desktop, and a more >> implementation-focused library be created for each of the various desktops? >> >> If we're setting the pattern library to be so high level though it really >> behooves us to look at the other pattern libraries out there to see if we >> could just adopt an existing one rather than re-inventing the wheel. >> >> Kirk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 09/06/2010 11:28 PM, Allan Caeg wrote: >> >> Hello! >> >> Remember the Compliance to GNOME UI Patterns of Cross-Platform >> Apps<http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2010-August/msg00030.html>thread? >> I emailed Celeste Lyn Paul from the KDE Usability team about the >> possibility of working on a cross-desktop UI Pattern library. This way, >> Cross-platform apps like Firefox would conform to UI patterns that are >> applicable to different desktop environments and it may mean more people >> working on the UI Pattern Library. Looks like she's interested. >> >> How do you think can we do this? Also, who else (other than KDE usability) >> do we communicate with? >> >> You can find Celeste's email below. >> >> Best Regards, >> Allan >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Celeste Lyn Paul <[email protected]> >> Date: Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 8:30 AM >> Subject: Re: UI Patterns of Cross-Platform Apps >> To: [email protected] >> >> >> Hi Allan, >> >> KDE has a few patterns listed in the HIG. It is a project we started 3 >> years ago, but lost the contributors who were working on them. I think >> having a cross-desktop library of UI patterns is a great idea. Let me >> know how Gnome plans on working this out with other projects. >> >> ~ Celeste >> >> On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Celeste Lyn Paul <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone. >> > Begin forwarded message: >> > >> > From: Allan Caeg <[email protected]> >> > Date: September 3, 2010 2:50:06 EDT >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: UI Patterns of Cross-Platform Apps >> > >> > Hello Celeste, >> > >> > The GNOME Usability Team is currently working on UI Patterns (see >> > http://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProject/HIG3 , >> > http://live.gnome.org/User%20Interface%20Patterns , and >> > http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ui-patterns). My work as the UX Advocate for >> > Firefox exposed an issue related to it. I started a discussion with >> GNOME >> > Usability people on whether or not cross-platform apps should follow the >> UI >> > Patterns. They seem to agree that cross-platform apps should comply to >> the >> > patterns. >> > >> > My concern now is for other environments especially KDE. I believe that >> we >> > can work together in generating UI patterns. This way, we can make >> > cross-platform apps comply so they will fit nicely in KDE and GNOME. I >> don't >> > specialize in toolkits, but it seems that a shared UI Pattern Library >> could >> > work. >> > >> > What do you think can we do? :) >> > >> > Best Regards, >> > Allan Caeg >> > http://www.google.com/profiles/allancaeg#about >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Celeste Lyn Paul >> KDE Usability Project >> KDE e.V. Board of Directors >> www.kde.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> usability mailing list >> [email protected]http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/usability >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> usability mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/usability >> >> > > > -- > Regards, > Allan > http://www.google.com/profiles/allancaeg#about<http://www.google.com/profiles/AllanCaeg> > +63 918 948 2520 > > -- Regards, Allan http://www.google.com/profiles/allancaeg#about<http://www.google.com/profiles/AllanCaeg> +63 918 948 2520
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