You are certainly correct about the non-materialising assurances (pace the fund-raiser a few years back where almost none of the stretch goals materialised) and the begging for money. Recently LiveCode was effectively bankrupt and moved from its (needlessly) expensive offices in the centre of Edinburgh's New Town to somewhere less expensive.

I feel that LiveCode (the company) has never matured from "Kevin and his mates" to a fully-fledged,
going concern.

It makes me extremely sad, having discovered the "Kevin and his mates" versions in 2001/2 (RunRev 1.1.1, 2.0 & 2.0.1) that somewhere down the line things got either stuck or skewed,
as a lot of potential seems to have got lost.

Not least its potential as an entry-level language for teaching and as a prototyper.

On 25.08.20 16:47, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote:
Paul

It’s a reasonable question so I’ll afford it the dignity it deserves. Here’s 
the thing. With thousands of £ invested in them including when they beg for 
money to help them out during times of distress you end up almost locked into 
their ecosystem. Besides, my main bread and butter client is 100% LiveCode 
dépendant so I HAVE to continue down the LC route.

Unless I do what Richmond suggests, which has often been on my mind, and just 
jump ship and abandon my client. I’ve had partnerships I’ve had to do this with 
before, mostly due to their poor business skills though. This one has been 
nothing but good to me especially since I came out of the mental hospital two 
years ago. I wouldn’t want to insult him.

And therein lies the rub because, to achieve the html conversion of his app his 
clients were effectively demanding, I had to have certain assurances from LC 
before investing yet more thousands of £ into them. However, that has all been 
proven to be LIES.

And this is the real reason of late I have been up on MY high horse. Because 
time and time again, things promised are NEVER delivered. Except FMPro so we 
are led to believe. If they were really making so many sales, Jacque, why on 
earth would they be begging for money to help them out?? Why don’t they call on 
their new FM partners or users??

In response to the question ‘what on earth made you believe it would be 100% 
cross platform’. Look on their homepage. The first 2 sections repeat it several 
times. According to that they have built their own system that delivers just 
this. Backed up by images that make it appear to be exactly this way with 
identical screen shots from multiple platforms. And they say it DOES NOT NEED 
ADDITIONAL CODE!!

How are you going to defend them this time? LC have not responded to this or my 
other posts. THEY KNOW I’M RIGHT and are keeping out of the frame.

Look at the bug report from my original post. Look at it. 15 years on, STILL 
NOT FIXED. Confirmed as a bug. Nothing done.

I want to give up so desperately but I am forced into carrying on until LC 
drive me into hospital yet again. I think I’ve explained enough above to show 
why that is. I’m doomed. I’m facing my own inevitable demise like someone with 
cancer.

But I won’t go down without a fight!

All the best to the best of you all. (But not the rest of you) ;)

Sean Cole
Pi Digital
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