I was wondering this too: when Lagi mentioned 'fix the IDE' I thought this
might be a reference to some of a number of usabiity snags - it didn't occur
to me that it was just speed.
I develop on a nine-year old MacBook and have never noticed a speed issue with
the IDE. I wonder if it's possible that the Windows IDE has been affected by
the same issue to do with manipulating quantities of text that I've been
talking about on the list, which Mark W has suggested might be fixed in a
release very shortly? (Seems unlikely!) But definitely seems to be something
platform specific.
Lagi, if you're still able to access a 6.7 installer, could you confirm
whether the IDE under 6.7 has the same problem on your set up? The problems
with speed on Windows that I'm seeing came in after 6.7.
Ben
On 03/09/2021 03:05, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:
Hi Lagi,
I have the LC IDE running on a remote Windows Server with 1 core (2Ghz) and
2GB ram. It struggles at times but is still usable (truly amazingly).
Otherwise, I run it on Windows through Parallels Desktop with VM 8 cores
and 8GB on an 8core 32GB Macbook Pro. Saving a stack takes 15 times longer
in Win compared to the same machine in macOS. Other than the slight lag and
bugginess of the script editor this is the only slowness I see. Unicode
slows down some procedures but that is not limited to the IDE.
I hope you can work out what is slowing it down to treacle speeds for you.
It sounds a bit odd to me.
On Fri, 3 Sept 2021 at 00:16, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
But the best way of selling it is to FIX the bloody IDE - I am running on a
16G 1 year Old 8th Generation CoreI7 processor and it STILL runs like
treacle.
<<
As I don't recognize this experience can you put a video of your experience
on the cloud? I don't run on hardware anything like as beefy as you have.
The only machine I've got where LC is slow is one where Windows itself is
really slow (a 4yo laptop). On my two Apple machines (M1 and Intel, the
latter is 5yo) it is not "like treacle", neither is it slow on my i5
Windows machine.
It's a bit hard for LC Ltd to identify and fix something if it's only found
in some odd cases.
Regards, Bernard
On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 10:34 PM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
Trials of 14 days or even 30 days are a waste of time. I can install
something and use it for a couple of days - then life / work gets in the
way
so It sits on the computer for 31 days and then times out.
You then have to waste your time and the companies to get an extension,
and by the time they answer
you get cheesed off and remove the program.
The BEST trial is the one that lasts for 30 actual executions or 6 months
(whichever comes first).
This stops the clever SOD who decides to keep it running without exiting
for 6 months but it times out anyway.
Even better if he keeps it on for 2 days it counts as "executing" twice
so
it will last 30 days.
This means I have 30 days over a 6 month period to really test it without
rushing.
The people who would game the system are the people who won't be loyal
customer anyway, so not giving a worthwhile trial period handicaps those
who want to give it a good try.
You can also put a nag screen at the start of any executable with an OK
button link to a special discounted price - free marketing (what a
brilliant Idea, why didn't I think of it?).
But the best way of selling it is to FIX the bloody IDE - I am running
on a
16G 1 year Old 8th Generation CoreI7 processor and it STILL runs like
treacle.
If I downloaded it today as a new person it would be off my machine in
less
than 30 minutes.
You could also use this as your "marketing" system by "giving it away"
to
schools for nothing and without the trial period but the nag screen.
It can then be used by the students to learn programming at no cost - and
some of the students parent might pony up for a paid for version at a
student price (with no expiring standalones of cours - the most stupid
idea
of the lot so far)
Anyway Kevin, have I/we wastedour time again putting out these cranky,
stupid and not workable suggestions?.
Lagi
On Thu, 2 Sept 2021 at 15:55, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
We *are* considering the length of the trial actively, we may well
give a
longer trial a shot at some point.
Kind regards,
Kevin
Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Develop Yourself
On 02/09/2021, 15:51, "use-livecode on behalf of Ralph DiMola via
use-livecode" <use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com on behalf of
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
True, true.
There could be a small group of programmers that pass a stack
around
but you would not be able to convince/teach a civilian to install a
programming IDE and explain how to run the stack along with any other
supporting files, SW or plug-ins... Mobile would be a non-starter. I
would
not dismiss this out-of-hand. A 90 day free IDE could also be an
option.
Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com]
On
Behalf Of Kevin Miller via use-livecode
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 10:31 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Kevin Miller; Michael Kristensen
Subject: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition
Thanks for the constructive suggestion. Unfortunately with a free
non-app building version, everyone who needs to run an app can just
download that.
Kind regards,
Kevin
Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Develop Yourself
On 02/09/2021, 14:49, "use-livecode on behalf of Michael
Kristensen
via use-livecode" <use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com on behalf of
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
Hi there
I suggest that there could be a Non-Appbuilding Community
Edition
That would be for personal use, and to learn coding.
Michael
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