Hello Heather,

i meant that simple default menu that is automatically created when Livecode 
creates a macOS standalone.

But tested now in Sonoma VM and my older apps without just that simple default 
menu run w/o problems.

> Am 03.10.2023 um 15:56 schrieb Heather Laine via use-livecode 
> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi Matthias,
> 
> I think ANY menu will cause a crash. |f your app has no menus it will not be 
> affected by the issue. Otherwise, it will crash, as does LiveCode itself  
> prior to the fix.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3 Oct 2023, at 11:53, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Heather,
>> 
>> thanks for clarifying the reason for the crashes.
>> 
>> At least this grants that standalones created with older LC versions will 
>> run as long as they do not contain a customized menu, right?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 03.10.2023 um 12:24 schrieb Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hi Rolf,
>>> 
>>> No, the problem is not related to signing. The problem centers on how 
>>> Sonoma handles menus, and any app that contains a menu will crash on Sonoma 
>>> unless built with LiveCode 9.6.10 or 10 dp-6.
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> Heather
>>> 
>>> Heather Laine
>>> Customer Services Manager
>>> LiveCode Ltd
>>> www.livecode.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 3 Oct 2023, at 09:53, Rolf Kocherhans via use-livecode 
>>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> @Matthias and the Mothership,
>>>> 
>>>> My Apple Developer account expired several years ago, and I'm facing a 
>>>> critical issue with one of my LiveCode Apps, Clarify, developed by Trevor 
>>>> DeVore. This app is extremely important to me.
>>>> 
>>>> Unfortunately, Clarify is no longer actively developed and has started 
>>>> crashing with Sonoma. I am wondering if there's a possibility to resolve 
>>>> this issue by signing the bundles. I am more than willing to invest in a 
>>>> new subscription with Apple if that's what it takes – I can't imagine my 
>>>> work without Clarify.
>>>> 
>>>> Could someone please test if signing the bundles might make an app 
>>>> functional again?
>>>> Your assistance in this matter would mean the world to me.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Rolf
>>>> 
>>>> Am 30.09.2023 um 18:00 schrieb use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com:
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe my observation is not the reason for the crash. Would really not 
>>>> make sense, when an unsigned app would crash instead of reporting an alert.
>>>> 
>>>> But code signing  the complete Livecode app bundle would proof it.
>>>> 
>>>> Did someone btw had a look at the system log file after the crash?
>>>> 
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