Agreed. I am just saying that when this was first announced, this was brought up.
Bob S > On Dec 29, 2025, at 2:21 PM, Neville Smythe via use-livecode > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think the “kill switch” is not just an old issue Bob. It could well be a > kill switch for the company, I can’t think why any developer would want to > use LiveCode for standalones with such a time bomb in place. Even Apple, > which removes an app from the store when a developer subscription expires, > doesn’t kill apps bought by users. > > The license check code presumably is not included in LC 9.6.3. Does anyone > have any idea if it is included in LC 10.0.3? > > Neville > > >> On 30 Dec 2025, at 4:00 am, [email protected] wrote: >> >> Send use-livecode mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of use-livecode digest..." >> >> >> you can find the archives for this list at: >> >> http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/ >> >> and search them using this link: >> >> https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: LC Built Apps held Hostage, Runtime execution rent - >> looked at FAQ (Bob Sneidar) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2025 16:12:09 +0000 >> From: Bob Sneidar <[email protected]> >> To: How to use LiveCode <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: LC Built Apps held Hostage, Runtime execution rent - >> looked at FAQ >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> This has already been addressed long ago ad nauseam. RunRev LTD. was not >> going to be able to remain viable under the old licensing. They were barely >> scraping by as it was. The CEO was basically living a paupers existence. >> >> As for the kill switch issue, I think there should be a version, however >> expensive it might be that worked on the old licensing model. >> >> There are other alternatives, but I will not mention them here out of >> respect for the parent company who maintains this list. >> >> Bob S >> >> >>> On Dec 24, 2025, at 11:42 PM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Paul Dupuis: >>> >>>> I also am not sure if all the materials they created >>>> are on their web site or not, but that would be one >>>> place to look if you haven't already done so. >>> >>> which is merely repeating the thread's whole point - >>> Meet the LiveCode EULA and FAQ! Read and learn. >>> >>> quoting EULA and FAQ again, with links again, as before ... >>> >>> Kill switch details; it's even worse than I remembered. >>> >>> "Apps require active [LiveCode Create] licensing to run. >>> If your license lapses, your apps will no longer be licensed >>> and they will not continue to run." >>> >>> Meet the LiveCode FAQ - >>> https://livecode.com/faq >>> >>> Built Apps - not 'continue' to run? >>> >>> Riko Abadi: >>> >>>> This means already-built apps are permanently dependent on ongoing >>>> license renewal just to execute... Under the current terms, LiveCode >>>> Create is not a viable option for serious, long-lived applications. >>> >>> Rick: >>> >>>> I sure hope the people at LC seriously reconsider what they are >>>> doing immediately and change course! Just my 2 cents for the day. >>>> P.S. Here’s the link for those who haven’t seen it: >>>> https://livecode.com/faq >>> >>> Runtime execution rent, ongoing = fragile Toy Apps. >>> >>> subject to renewal, whim, outage, billing, or glitch. >>> much more so than just using hosting or data. >>> >>> Alex Shaw: >>> >>>> Does this mean apps created in Classic Create >>>> also stop working if the license is not renewed? >>>> As a hobby programmer from the MC days this is very disappointing. >>> >>> good question. likewise for LC10. >>> Create license allows Classic Kill switch - >>> >>> "2.3 ... Any purchase of LiveCode Create automatically >>> applies this EULA to ... LiveCode Classic." >>> >>> but is Kill switch tech lurking in Classic? >>> strong monthly version precedent in Classic license - >>> >>> "2g) Where the LiveCode Software has been purchased on >>> a monthly subscription, Created Software will only >>> operate while the subscription is current." >>> >>> Craig Newman: >>> >>>> I cannot fathom the idea that one can build an app, >>>> using a program that one has a subscription to ... and then be >>>> REQURED to maintain the subscription in order for that app to run. >>> >>> precisely. >>> >>> Meet the LiveCode Create EULA - >>> https://livecode.com/eula >>> >>> an evaluation said "you should NOT accept this as-is" - >>> I agree; impossible until several issues improved. >>> >>> Dev tool licenses are required to build, compile, or deploy. >>> Lapsed licenses typically Disable updates, new builds, support ... >>> >>> but Existing, already-built apps keep running. >>> That’s why they are 'built' apps! >>> >>> huge step backward - >>> >>> I will not follow that wayward direction; >>> my future plans include robust apps and clear ethics. >>> >>> Nor let future projects get locked down to 1 tool. >>> Nor be slandered as unruly for pointing out obvious problems! >>> >>> window is closing to fix LiveCode pricing/terms issues. >>> LiveCode Classic - '2027' end of life. >>> people have been retooling elsewhere. >>> >>> LiveCode recently requested my feedback to help improve LC. >>> so ... hope this requested advice improves LiveCode Create. >>> >>> Happy Holy-days of Christ's Mass! >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Curry Kenworthy >>> >>> "Dominate documents with WordLib and LC" >>> https://livecodeaddons.com/wordlib.html >>> >>> (Still recuperating from illness - comments limited.) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of use-livecode Digest, Vol 267, Issue 14 >> ********************************************* > > Neville Smythe > [email protected] > 0414517719 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > [email protected] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list [email protected] Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
