This is why I tell people to always listen to what I mean, and not what I say. 

Bob


On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:13 AM, Keith Clarke wrote:

> ...ah, nice try Francis but I too have not only a dictionary but also the 
> higher authority - Pink Floyd's 'Dark Side of the Moon', which closes with 
> the song Eclipse... "and everything under the sun is in tune but the sun is 
> eclipsed by the moon" ...boom, boom...boom, boom...
> 
> So, in the spirit of friendly pedantry, I meant eclipse in its verb form, 
> pertaining to your reference to celestial bodies...eclipse (verb) '(of a 
> celestial body) obscure the light from or to (another celestial body)' - via 
> latin from the Greek ekleipsis, from ekleipein which means to leave out.
> 
> Then again, one of the more pedantic voices in my head might argue that the 
> reference to celestial bodies is equally wrong for both occult and eclipse. 
> There is no doubt that some LC apps may be of stellar quality, but there are 
> no physical celestial bodies involved - nor indeed is there any usable depth 
> dimension of space within a 2D display in which any such celestial 'cover 
> ups', 'passages between' (or indeed shadows) might play out their fleeting 
> existence. And as for the sources of illumination involved, lest we forget, 
> "There is no dark side of the moon really. Matter of fact it's all dark." (a 
> bit like the LiveCode installer UI!)
> 
> So, I must concur with the love of English - not only for its complexity but 
> in the ability to be incorrect in so many ways - rather like my approach to 
> LC programming! ;-)
> Best,
> Keith..  
> 
> On 12 Oct 2011, at 15:55, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:
> 
>> Hi from Beautiful Brittany,
>> 
>> Keith wrote :
>> 
>>> ...did you mean 'eclipse', Francis?
>> 
>> Keith, "occult" has three forms :
>> 
>> 1 (noun)
>> 2 (adjective)
>> 3 ( verb)
>> 
>> As "shadows" was used in the VERB form, I suggested
>> replacing it with the VERB form of occult , which means
>> what I said it means.
>> 
>> Latin occultus, from past participle of the VERB "occulere"
>> which means "to cover up".
>> 
>> Your definition of "occult" - in the NOUN form, is, OF COURSE,
>> correct.
>> 
>> The VERB form of "eclipse" means "to reduce in importance
>> or repute", which, as a replacement for the VERB "shadows"
>> is incorrect, although the NOUN form of "eclipse" is equivalent
>> to the VERB form of "occult", but then, nouns and verbs ain't
>> quite the same .........    :>)
>> 
>> I love English, because of its complexity .........
>> 
>> -Francis
> 
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