On 07/14/2012 06:35 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Richmond <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:
Presumably it is "Dr Hawkins", although Dr Hawkins seems not to understand
how
to use titles, as one only puts "Esq." (notice the full-stop)
Someone lost mine while quoting. See the unquoted signature below.
after the name of somebody
who is male, over 21 and does NOT have a doctorate (or, in the case of a
physician, an MB).
In the United States, it is put after the name of all admitted
attorneys (we don't have a solicitor/barrister distinction).
What is a barrister? I don't think we have those sort of beasts in
Scotland, although
we do have writers to the signet.
Whether you don't use the Dr. if an Esq., or don't use the Esq. if a
Dr., seems to have a split of opinion.
If you want to toss in *everything, it's
Dr. Richard Edmund Stephen Hawkins, J.D., Ph.D., Esq.
On writing to somebody who has "Esq." after their name one usually begins a
letter:
Dear Mr XXXX
Although my inclination in the case of somebody who seems to be trying to be
pompous by
putting "Esq." after their own name (which one doesn't do; one calls oneself
"Mr" and they address the envelope "Richmond Mathewson. Esq.") is to address
them in one of the
If I filed a pleading *without* the Esq. in the name in a court that
wasn't familiar with me, it would probably trigger a check by the
clerk to see if I was a lawyer.
And clients expect it; send a letter without one and they ask why the
other lawyers have it and you don't . . .
OTOH, I've never introduced myself as "Dr. Hawkins" outside of an
academic setting. (however, I'd likely do so in response to an M.D.
who introduces himself as "Dr. Smith." I'm a real doctor, not a
physician, and don't have the inherited inferiority complex (oddly
mixed with a God complex) that comes from the modern M.D. being a
watered down thing designed with the explicit purpose of borrowing the
respect/prestige/not-killing-people of the doctors of the university.
Having taken out one of the two key features of what "doctor" meant
for a couple of thousand years, they progressed to claiming to be
"real doctors." [note: some are, but most have never *contributed* to
knowledge])
Well and true.
Notwithstanding that, my grandfather, Dr Richmond McIntosh (M.D.) was
bothe real medical doctor (i.e. not just an M. B.) and contributed to
knowldge (search for his stuff
in the BMJ on the internet).
This account is dochawk instead of hawk for the simple reason that
early gmail required at least 6 characters, and my students were
already receiving email from a dochawk account at Penn State.
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