On 2017-07-26 23:06, hh via use-livecode wrote:
There are, sadly, still very basic things missing, which make the HTML5 standalone builder, TMHO, not yet ready for "beta"-state.
Well - yes - the 'beta' state as I mentioned was a slip (mainly in that we don't do 'beta' in our dev process as I explained).
However, there is one VERY important point I do need to make. It is easy to get hang up on saying 'oh the HTML5 engine doesn't do this, and oh it doesn't do that' - and this might well be true. *However* the only important metric in this regard is - does it allow a suitable percentage of LiveCode stacks which exist *right now* to run in the browser unchanged.
The problem here is that this is quite subjective - it largely depends on HOW you code and use LiveCode (remember my analogy of LiveCode and the elephant and the blind men). One thing you have pointed out is that 'the mouse' function does not work. It does not, this is true - however, for every person who ever uses 'the mouse' function I can be absolutely sure there are probably AT LEAST 2 who do not. This is true of all LiveCode features to a greater or lesser degree.
Jacque (for example), clearly has an app that she would really like to work in the HTML5 engine. I'd really like this too. Now, I know Jacque quite well, I also know her coding style quite well and the way she uses LiveCode to solve problems. The app she is talking about should be the bread-and-butter of the HTML5 engine however I'm sure it does use a number of features which are not the easiest to get working on that platform (because I know a bit of Jacque's thought process). Overall, without looking at the code in more detail I can't really say how far we are from being able to allow it to run well on that platform without significant changes. (It might be it is almost there, it might be a very long way - but just FOR THAT SPECIFIC app).
In contrast, I've spent a fair bit of time with David Simpson here at FileMaker DevCon. Whilst chatting about HTML5 engine, David happened to mention that his largest product works perfectly in the current HTML5 engine - WITH NO CODE CHANGES. This product has (if memory serves me correctly) in excess of 100,000 lines of code.
So PLEASE remember, we all have a different view of the elephant. Just because something might not yet have reached the point of intersection with our OWN view, it does not mean that it has not completely covered the view of others. Utility is in the eye of the beholder, and whilst our goal is to have the ability to take any LiveCode stack and have it run in the browser with no code changes let us not think that just because that is not true, it is not actually REALLY useful for many cases RIGHT NOW.
Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ m...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
