Dear Randall
Uhm... I think there's a huge misunderstanding, therefore I'll
rephrase my statement:
Revolution (the language) is not "the xTalk", similar how "apple" is
not "the fruits". Sure, Rev is one of many languages that can be
called xTalk, and apples themselves are one of many fruit kinds that
do exist. Yet, I won't claim that all fruits are apples, and therefore
I am against your suggestion to call Revolution (the language) "the
xTalk" from now on.
I'm also pretty sure I did not imply that RunRev (company) invented
everything that could be called xTalk. I do think that calling the
Revolution language "the xTalk" would actually make people assume just
that.
Finally, I won't further participate in this... "discussion" with you
in any way, despite being sure that you have much more to say on the
topic.
Björnke
On 21 Dec 2008, at 18:32, Randall Reetz wrote:
A little respect to bill atkinson at apple (hypercard's inventor)
and allan kay before him (the xerox parc inventor of smalltalk).
Please.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Randall Reetz" <rand...@randallreetz.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution@lists.runrev.com>
Sent: 12/21/2008 9:19 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] If programming languages were religions...
There are three aspects that determine the fit of a development
system. The first is final execution environment. Rev is agnostic
to all three major platforms. But rev is kind of limited within
internet facing browsers. The second is development environment.
Rev's IDE is object centered as though it was an interface mockup
tool. The IDE has been localized for each of the three big
platforms. As with all xtalk tools, rev is a object centered
message passing language in which events generate messages that are
sent down an object stacking hierarchy until they find an object
which has script that has a handler that matches. The handler is a
subroutine written n the xtalk lexicon and syntax. And this
scripting language, the third aspect of a development system, is
identical to all xtalk languages (except that it has a larger
function library than most).
Rev can brag about its IDE and its cross platform development and
delivery flexibility... But it had better admit that its language is
xtalk and that rev neither invented it or significantly improved it.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Björnke von Gierke" <b...@mac.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution@lists.runrev.com>
Sent: 12/20/2008 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] If programming languages were religions...
On 20 Dec 2008, at 04:41, Randall Reetz wrote:
I wish people would use the term xtalk when refering to this
language its structure and lexicon both come intact from hypercard
and smalltalk before that. Revenue is a great integration synthesis
of xtalk and a cross platform runtime engines, but the language is
xtalk all the way in. Seems only fair. No?
No. Time for car analogies (Noooo!!!):
If someone comes to the car salesman, and says "I'd want to buy a
Lexus". Would you argue he'd be better off to say "I'd want to buy any
car"?
Xtalk is a loose description of types of languages, which includes
hypercard as well as Rev. Of course the analogy will break down
quickly if you ask 10 xtalk followers whether applescript is an xtalk
language or not.
Describing stuff is always hard, especially with the name trinity of
RunRev marketing, but using xtalk for just one language will probably
garner you some internet hate :)
Have Fun
Björnke
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