Dear Revolution Community. Thanks so much again for your comments, it is a truly amazing community! One day I hope to contribute back in. My rather heated comments on the buggy IDE are somewhat appeased by a more than helpful community so very generous with their answers and thoughtful comments.
Thanks Trevor, the external edit in BBEdit seems to work nicely! At last I can relax and get down to understanding Rev and not worry about my code. An excellent addition (Transcript terms) to BBEdit. Thanks Alex (?) at Mindlube for the great MLXEditor, seems to be the conduit necessary between Rev and the outside world. Great! Nice and easy, works perfectly as far as I can tell. Maybe Rev should build something like this in to the IDE? Bill thanks for your comment that you have been using the IDE for years no problem. I’ll try and create a recipe for the code loss I suffered the other day and post it to Bugzie. Seems like it is the Single Handler view, which I was just exploring (I noticed too that it only sometimes loads the local/global variables correctly). Just out of interest: does the Rev team contribute to the list? Just wondering. Also I didn't want to contact them yet as we are still evaluating the software and I'm sure they are deep in code land... fixing? Chipp thanks too for pointing out how Rev handles scripts. I found that there seems to be a custom property (?) that stores the script, formatted. Getting the script of an object (unformatted) is separate from the custom prop that seems just to store a formatted version of it, with an MD5 fingerprint (I assume as a checksum to see if anything has changed). Seems an odd way to do things. Oh well. So I guess the Script Cleaner removes the extra baggage? Does building a standalone do the same? Xavier: is your editor the UltaEditor plug-in? I couldn’t find your editor on your page, perhaps I just missed it. (Unfortunately - or fortunately as I see it - I develop on Mac and port-test on our PCs so UltaEditor isn’t really an option.) Many many thanks though. Thanks to everyone else, plus the few that didn't want to comment directly on the list, I agree with you. In the end I need to make a simple and quite serious decision: should we spend time and try and develop a project in Rev? And into the future: should we switch our whole team over to Rev? At least with a stable editor I can and will continue evaluating the product without worry. The list has been more than helpful in helping me to ‘drive around the potholes’ for the time being. For the record: if the List hadn't been so kind and generous, I would have left Rev with a bad taste in my mouth after about a week of testing. My earlier excitement with the power built in to the Rev engine, and my earlier speed tests, would have been lost on a list of issues that can and should be fixed. If getting new customers is part of the Rev teams aim, then perhaps a bit of tidying up would be in order? It seems from the list things have improved somewhat, so there is hope is what I hear. Feature freeze n fix. As a suggestion perhaps the Rev List could start up a small spec for a new script editor? A basic screen layout showing dock-able Variable and Message watcher and a streamlined interface could be a start point. There are plenty of good editors out there we could use as reference ... optimised functional layout and best real estate use. I’d certainly be willing to help, however my Transcript skills are rather lacking at this early stage... ROI is a very valid point. I’ll be able to look at this later once I get past first base... but I am very impressed with the engine. I wouldn’t feel I had a good ROI if I sat my team down and asked them to write a simple script editor as their first project. The breakpoint issue is a fantastic tip, I’ll keep that in mind when I have to return to Rev for debugging. Who is the team than developed the Engine? Hats off to this team! Are they still developing it as a separate company? Seems like Metacard no longer exists? Is there a list that tells me what has been recently added to the Engine (and may be buggy), separate from Rev additions? I guess that any command starting with RevCommandName is a transcript equivalent? Is there a way to turn OFF storing the custom property formatted script? Surely this bloats out the stack considerably and from what I can gather (and guess by my loss of data) may have other issues... just to make the scripts look pretty (pretty wild if you turn on default script colorization!). I’d opt for the plain Jane version if it saved all the other issues. BTW thanks Trevor, script colorization in BBEdit works perfectly and is actually useful. I’m a programmer and I run a small team so we are very familiar with development cycles. Rev has done an amazing job, no two ways about it. The community is extremely kind and nurtures newbies, rather rare to see. Makes me want to immediately get in and fix the Transcript code myself, if I could, and contribute back. I just wonder how committed Rev are to their alpha - beta - gold candidate cycle? Maybe the product has enough features now to sit down and go back over what has already been put in place? I have had many issues with tables, again loss of data and data returning after I’ve hit the delete key. Very odd. Are tables a recent addition? I’ll stay clear of these too. Thanks again to all the kind and generous spirits out there. I’ll keep testing Rev and hope for more success, which I know will come. Perhaps then my questions will be more focused on silly script mistakes and learning Transcript, a process I will certainly enjoy. Regards, Peter Armstrong __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution