Thanks all, @Matthias > Not every font on your system is "web-safe" ;-)
Most certainly!!! I dont step away from Arial or if I do I might use it in a bmp/animated gif rather than vector. @Adrian >Expertise for a web design company now is CMS minimum. >clients want to edit their sites themselves Yes indeed. I never saw web design as a stand-alone service from day one and the competition now is hardly a living wage any more. The studio always worked around that. Some of those cheap site builds and clients efforts .... in one case I told a client that his branding/promotion would be better served by having no website at all rather than the rubbish he had showing online. > HTML5 is under development AND is not supported byall browsers yet Yes, this has already surfaced and I'm back to HTML4 for the current job. Thanks again folks, Neil Cooke ________________________________ From: aidan o driscoll <aidan...@eircom.net> To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Sent: Mon, 19 July, 2010 10:47:21 PM Subject: Re: Web Programming - CSS and HTML5 Hiya, Keep in mind that HTML5 is under development AND is not supported by all browsers yet - particularly Internet Explorer. Like it or hate it IE is still the most used browser so it has to be in your considerations. Have a look at this page: http://www.deepbluesky.com/blog/-/browser-support-for-css3-and-html5_72/ CSS is the way for layout it seems, using DIV's instead of old html tables. I tend to handcode CSS with NOTEPAD++ on Windows: http://notepad-plus-plus.org/ Then their is the use of a CMS. Believe it or not and more so now with ver 3 out I have used and use WORDPRESS as a general CMS. Its got a simple backend for clients AND its easy to make Templates for it via CSS and a bit of PHP ( not too much knowledge required ). Great cheap tute series on this here - best I have come across in a long while: http://www.killersites.com/wordpress/wordpress-theme.php - $20 to download I am doing sites for all clients as CMS - using Wordpress, Joomla, Silverstripe. Here anyway ( Ireland ) - The big demand now is clients want to edit their sites themselves without any app required from any PC, anywhere. Maybe its a Recession thing, but thats the demand ... so teh customer is never wrong, who am I to argue. Basic sites from HTML and CSS I find are now dead ( here anyway ). Expertise for a web design company now is CMS minimum. Im only speaking from my experience in last two years here. Also I have to say - the price one gets for a CMS build has now dropped to what basic HTML design used to be. Lot of houses charging €399 + vat for a wordpress build with 5 pages, preset templates and more pages are charged extra. That kind of thing. Web design and the like is now getting POWERPOINTED :D - client attitude is .. I can do it myself. I lost two clients in last year to this: http://www.wix.com/ - Create Your FREE Flash Website. Cant argue with the price :( Cheers Aidan On 19 July 2010 09:21, Matthias Kappenberg <m...@the-dimension.com> wrote: > Have in mind: > Not every font on your system is "web-safe" ;-) > > Matthias > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Neil Cooke > To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 9:43 AM > Subject: Re: Web Programming - CSS and HTML5 > Thanks Matthias > >>If you need "non standard" fonts > > Nah, I have enough fonts. The main bitch for me is that I want a font size > that is often between Fontsize=1 and Fontsize=2 .... etc ... Lol. > > It's not a huge issue of course but CSS allows much more there and that is > an added attraction. But not for the current job, Lol. > > Neil Cooke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matthias Kappenberg > To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 7:33 PM > Subject: Re: Web Programming - CSS and HTML5 > @Just wished they could handle fonts with a little more options!!! > If you need "non standard" fonts > http://facelift.mawhorter.net/ > > or as pure js: > > http://cufon.shoqolate.com/generate/ > and/or: > http://typeface.neocracy.org/ > > or (the big weapon, a cms): > > use a cms like typo3 with graphical headers.... > > Matthias > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Neil Cooke > To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 1:30 AM > Subject: Re: Web Programming - CSS and HTML5 > Hi Matthias > An earlier link you sent suggested that HTML5 was still under development > too. > I need to be safe and fast so I guess the client is stuck with HTML4 for > now. Just wished they could handle fonts with a little more options!!! No > matter, the site is robust on all browsers so far so that too points at > staying with V4. > Which leaves me having to sort the style on every page ..... I better get > started I guess. > Thank you > Neil Cooke > ________________________________ > From: Matthias Kappenberg <m...@the-dimension.com> > To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com > Sent: Mon, 19 July, 2010 11:01:22 AM > Subject: Re: Web Programming - CSS and HTML5 > > > Hi Neil, > > HTML5 is still in development, if I'm right ;-) > Maybe have a look here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5 > > and/or google for "HTML5 browser support" > or something like this. > > I'm using this site: > http://www.webhits.de/deutsch/index.shtml?/deutsch/webstats.html > > to get some information for "browsers in use", too. > > If you have old websites "XHTML + CSS" is ok in my opinion. > > The basic idea behind HTML+CSS is to separate > content and layout. One of the most important ideas behind this > is to get "accessible" websites. > If you like to play around with upcoming "markup languages", > have a closer look at CSS3, too. > But if you need a "working website" look for XHTML and CSS2. > > My 5 cents. > > Matthias > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Neil Cooke > To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com > Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 11:47 PM > Subject: Re: Web Programming - CSS and HTML5 > Thanks Matthias and Amir, > > Just graphics .... no customer response, SQL, etc. > > I was thinking of upgrading a client website to CSS, however on second > thoughts I need to get their new product data online immediately so the CSS > with my need to get up to speed with it, will need to be a later effort. > > HTML5 at a very brief look, seems more like it's involved with xml and > developments like that rather than graphic style so I think eventually, once > the latest promotion urgency is sorted I think CSS will need to be brought > into the studio. > > I will try a free download of the 2010 version of the editor I am familiar > with at that time I think and see how I go.. I currently use CoffeeCup ... > old HTML4 .... robust but clunky in it's graphics. > > Thanks again > > Neil Cooke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matthias Kappenberg > To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 9:22 AM > Subject: Re: Web Programming - CSS and HTML5 > Nope, > should be "not very hard". > http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/ > > Do you need it as a "professional" ? > Matthias > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Neil Cooke > To: UserList RealSoft > Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:19 PM > Subject: Web Programming - CSS and HTML5 > Hi List > Opinions please ...... > .... is it a huge learning curve to upskill from a basic HTML4 skillset? > > No Java or C* skills. Would take HTML5 onboard at the same time. > > It's all in an editor app of course but I do like to understand the coding. > > TIA > Neil Cooke > > ________________________________ > > No virus found in this incoming message.. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.839 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3013 - Release Date: 07/18/10 > 18:35:00 > > ________________________________ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.839 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3014 - Release Date: 07/19/10 > 06:35:00 >
