I don’t think karaf is at osgi R4.2 any more, I suggest you look at the osgi R5 or R6 config admin spec for “multi location”.
You guys might be using blueprint every day, but there is no OSGI spec work to keep it up to date or even specify obviously necessary features such as config admin integration. If blueprint is so great why aren’t the proponents keeping the spec related to current OSGI? This is a part of my, admittedly extreme, theory that use of blueprint is related to not wanting to make the app actually use osgi appropriately. And, the project I work on every day uses DS exclusively and still finds plenty of ways to abuse osgi in all sorts of inventive ways :-) david jencks > On Jul 7, 2016, at 11:11 AM, Johan Edstrom <seij...@gmail.com> wrote: > > It is in here; > https://osgi.org/javadoc/r4v42/org/osgi/service/cm/ConfigurationAdmin.html > <https://osgi.org/javadoc/r4v42/org/osgi/service/cm/ConfigurationAdmin.html> > > A bundle is in aries bound to the pid. So it is actually working as expected, > bit of > a hassle since spring-dm allowed it. > > And yes selling DS into “regular" organizations is about as easy as selling > snow in Alaska. > > /je > >> On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:00 PM, Brad Johnson <brad.john...@mediadriver.com >> <mailto:brad.john...@mediadriver.com>> wrote: >> >> David, >> >> You live in a very different world than I do. In all the consulting I do >> with Fuse/karaf blueprint is used almost exclusively. I understand DS and >> its uses but also its limits and overhead. It's like telling me one should >> only use Camel Java DSL. That may be one's perspective but that isn't >> everyone's. >> >> Brad >> >> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 12:53 PM, David Jencks <david_jen...@yahoo.com >> <mailto:david_jen...@yahoo.com>> wrote: >> IMNSHO blueprint is only really plausible if you have a large amount of >> Spring based code and you need to convert it to be sort of osgi-compatible >> really quickly without understanding osgi or the code. Otherwise taking the >> time to understand DS and use it is much more satisfactory. DS provides >> this configuration override ability with support for multiple pids, although >> only one of the pids can turn out to be a factory configuration. There’s >> no obvious way of correlating factory configurations, so this restriction >> makes some sense. >> >> I don’t think there really are any blueprint folks. The cm stuff, while >> obviously required to make the spec remotely plausible, hasn’t made it into >> the spec in the many many years it’s been sitting around. >> >> david jencks >> >>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Brad Johnson <brad.john...@mediadriver.com >>> <mailto:brad.john...@mediadriver.com>> wrote: >>> >>> If I were to sit down with the blueprint folks today to create a wish list >>> one thing I'd like to see is for an ability to have a configuration >>> hierarchy specified with parent/child relationships much like one has in >>> Maven. Have a base configuration file and be able to have another cfg file >>> specify that one as its parent. Override properties or add them to the >>> child. When the configuration admin fires up it would read up the chain >>> and construct the properties. >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Brad Johnson <brad.john...@mediadriver.com >>> <mailto:brad.john...@mediadriver.com>> wrote: >>> Ray, >>> >>> If I understand your question right the answer is the Aries extension is >>> referencing configuration. In karaf/fuse for example the following: >>> >>> <cm:property-placeholder persistent-id="com.my.foo" >>> update-strategy="reload"> >>> >>> will load properties from etc/com.my.foo.cfg >>> >>> Installing that file is done either manually or by use of a features file. >>> >>> Whenever I've attempted to use the PID in more than one bundle it has >>> failed and I don't think it is permitted. That's a problem I think and >>> something that should be fixed through some other configuration management >>> mechanism. Making microservices that might share common properties, for >>> example, becomes problematic in that regard and I've resorted to using my >>> own OSGi services to overcome that problem. >>> >>> Brad >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Raymond Auge <raymond.a...@liferay.com >>> <mailto:raymond.a...@liferay.com>> wrote: >>> Ok, so after a brief review the cm schema is an Aries extension and it >>> doesn't appear to support the location binding. >>> >>> However, it's unclear to me whether this extension is creating the >>> configuration or merely referencing one from outside. >>> >>> Any Aries gurus can answer that? >>> >>> - Ray >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 11:29 AM, David Jencks <david_jen...@yahoo.com >>> <mailto:david_jen...@yahoo.com>> wrote: >>> I’m not really familiar with blueprint cm but I’d expect that to indicate >>> which pid to use to fetch the config from config admin and in the ... how >>> to map configuration propertiething blueprint substitution knows about. Is >>> that really instructions to create a new configuration and populate it with >>> data (what a management agent does)? >>> >>> david jencks >>> >>>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:19 AM, Raymond Auge <raymond.a...@liferay.com >>>> <mailto:raymond.a...@liferay.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> David, I agree with everything you've said, however this looks like >>>> blueprint being the agent here: >>>> >>>> <cm:property-placeholder persistent-id="my.id <http://my.id/>" >>>> update-strategy="reload"> >>>> ... >>>> </cm:property-placeholder> >>>> >>>> - Ray >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 11:18 AM, David Jencks <david_jen...@yahoo.com >>>> <mailto:david_jen...@yahoo.com>> wrote: >>>> No, blueprint cm shouldn’t really know about the multi-location. The >>>> management agent that is creating the configuration should be setting the >>>> bundle location to the multi-location ”?”. >>>> >>>> david jencks >>>> >>>>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Pablo Gómez Pérez <pablo.go...@faw.jku.at >>>>> <mailto:pablo.go...@faw.jku.at>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I see and would it possible to configure which method is invoked from >>>>> Blueprint? >>>>> >>>>> This is how I do it: >>>>> >>>>> <cm:property-placeholder persistent-id="my.id <http://my.id/>" >>>>> update-strategy="reload"> >>>>> ... >>>>> </cm:property-placeholder> >>>>> >>>>> is there perhaps some blueprint property where I can tune the second >>>>> argument in the createFactoryConfiguration? >>>>> >>>>> Because it looks like the fact of using config admin through blueprint >>>>> binds the PID to the first bundle using it >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> best >>>>> Pablo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 07/07/2016 4:41 PM, Raymond Auge wrote: >>>>>> As long as configurations are not bound to a bundle they can be used by >>>>>> any bundle. >>>>>> >>>>>> The exception clearly shows that the configuration is bound to a bundle. >>>>>> >>>>>> Creating an unbound configuration requires passing a "?" as the second >>>>>> arguments to getConfiguration/createFactoryConfiguration methods of CM. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> HTH, >>>>>> - Ray >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Brad Johnson >>>>>> <brad.john...@mediadriver.com <mailto:brad.john...@mediadriver.com>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> I don't think that's possible. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Pablo Gómez Pérez >>>>>> <pablo.go...@faw.jku.at <mailto:pablo.go...@faw.jku.at>> wrote: >>>>>> Hello All, >>>>>> >>>>>> Is it possible to use same config file from multiple bundles >>>>>> while using Config Admin with blueprint Blueprint? Because, I can't >>>>>> manage to do that, I get the following error: >>>>>> >>>>>> MESSAGE Cannot use configuration test.mybundle for [org.osgi.service.cm >>>>>> <http://org.osgi.service.cm/>.ManagedService, id=214, >>>>>> bundle=86/initial@reference:file:../plugin-1/ >>>>>> <mailto:bundle=86/initial@reference:file:../plugin-1/>]: No visibility >>>>>> to configuration bound to initial@reference:file:../plugin-2/ >>>>>> <mailto:initial@reference:file:../plugin-2/> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I saw in this jira a bug opened: >>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/ENTESB-3959 >>>>>> <https://issues.jboss.org/browse/ENTESB-3959> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> However, I fear that this is a problem in the aries blueprint >>>>>> implementation as I'm not using KARAF nor FUSE, just a plain osgi >>>>>> container. Either that or I'm missing some blueprint configuration. I'm >>>>>> basically using blueprint:cm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As a workaround I can make a config file per bundle that needs it.... >>>>>> >>>>>> As follows the versions and bundles that I'm using related to the >>>>>> container (Running on top of Equinox 3.11): >>>>>> >>>>>> ID|State |Level|Name >>>>>> 5|Active | 2|Apache Aries Whiteboard support for JMX >>>>>> DynamicMBean services (1.1.5)|1.1.5 >>>>>> 6|Active | 2|Apache Aries JNDI Core (1.0.2)|1.0.2 >>>>>> 13|Active | 3|Aries Remote Service Admin Topology Manager >>>>>> (1.9.0.SNAPSHOT)|1.9.0.SNAPSHOT >>>>>> 15|Active | 2|Aries JPA Container (1.0.2)|1.0.2 >>>>>> 21|Active | 2|Apache Aries JNDI API (1.1.0)|1.1.0 >>>>>> 25|Active | 3|Aries Remote Service Admin Discovery Gogo >>>>>> Commands (1.9.0.SNAPSHOT)|1.9.0.SNAPSHOT >>>>>> 27|Active | 2|Apache Aries Blueprint CM (1.0.7)|1.0.7 >>>>>> 29|Active | 2|Apache Aries JMX Blueprint Core (1.1.5)|1.1.5 >>>>>> 37|Active | 2|Apache Aries JNDI URL Handler (1.1.0)|1.1.0 >>>>>> 42|Active | 2|Apache Aries JMX Core (1.1.5)|1.1.5 >>>>>> 46|Active | 2|Apache Aries Blueprint Core (1.5.0)|1.5.0 >>>>>> 47|Resolved | 4|Apache Aries Blueprint Core Compatiblity >>>>>> Fragment Bundle (1.0.0)|1.0.0 >>>>>> 55|Active | 2|Apache Aries Util (1.1.1)|1.1.1 >>>>>> 56|Active | 2|Aries JPA Container Managed Contexts >>>>>> (1.0.4)|1.0.4 >>>>>> 59|Active | 2|Apache Aries Proxy API (1.0.1)|1.0.1 >>>>>> 67|Active | 3|Aries Remote Service Admin Service Provider >>>>>> Interface (1.9.0.SNAPSHOT)|1.9.0.SNAPSHOT >>>>>> 71|Active | 2|Apache Aries Transaction Blueprint (1.1.1)|1.1.1 >>>>>> 73|Active | 2|Aries JPA Container API (1.0.2)|1.0.2 >>>>>> 77|Active | 2|Apache Aries JNDI Support for Legacy Runtimes >>>>>> (1.0.0)|1.0.0 >>>>>> 88|Active | 2|Apache Aries JMX Blueprint API (1.1.5)|1.1.5 >>>>>> 89|Active | 2|Apache Aries Transaction Manager (1.3.0)|1.3.0 >>>>>> 94|Active | 3|Aries Remote Service Admin Discovery Config >>>>>> (1.9.0.SNAPSHOT)|1.9.0.SNAPSHOT >>>>>> 97|Active | 3|Aries Remote Service Admin provider TCP >>>>>> (1.9.0.SNAPSHOT)|1.9.0.SNAPSHOT >>>>>> 110|Active | 2|Apache Aries Blueprint Annotation API >>>>>> (1.0.1)|1.0.1 >>>>>> 120|Active | 2|Apache Aries Transaction Blueprint (2.1.0)|2.1.0 >>>>>> 123|Active | 2|Apache Aries JMX API (1.1.5)|1.1.5 >>>>>> 130|Active | 2|Apache Aries Blueprint Annotation Impl >>>>>> (1.0.1)|1.0.1 >>>>>> 132|Active | 3|Aries Remote Service Admin Discovery Zookeeper >>>>>> (1.9.0.SNAPSHOT)|1.9.0.SNAPSHOT >>>>>> 134|Active | 3|Aries Remote Service Admin Discovery Local >>>>>> (1.9.0.SNAPSHOT)|1.9.0.SNAPSHOT >>>>>> 138|Active | 3|Aries Remote Service Admin Core >>>>>> (1.9.0.SNAPSHOT)|1.9.0.SNAPSHOT >>>>>> 139|Active | 2|Apache Aries JNDI RMI Handler (1.0.0)|1.0.0 >>>>>> 143|Active | 2|Apache Aries Proxy Service (1.0.4)|1.0.4 >>>>>> 146|Active | 2|Apache Aries SPI Fly Dynamic Weaving Bundle >>>>>> (1.0.8)|1.0.8 >>>>>> 147|Active | 2|Aries JPA Container blueprint integration for >>>>>> Aries blueprint (1.0.4)|1.0.4 >>>>>> >>>>>> 11|Active | 4|Apache Felix File Install (3.5.4)|3.5.4 >>>>>> 19|Active | 4|Apache Felix Gogo Shell (0.12.0)|0.12.0 >>>>>> 57|Active | 4|Apache Felix Gogo Command (0.16.0)|0.16.0 >>>>>> 104|Active | 4|Apache Felix Coordinator Service (1.0.2)|1.0.2 >>>>>> 109|Active | 4|Apache Felix Gogo Runtime (0.16.2)|0.16.2 >>>>>> 114|Active | 4|Apache Felix Web Management Console (1.2.8)|1.2.8 >>>>>> 148|Active | 4|Apache Felix Configuration Admin Service >>>>>> (1.8.8)|1.8.8 >>>>>> >>>>>> 0|Active | 0|OSGi System Bundle >>>>>> (3.11.0.v20160603-1336)|3.11.0.v20160603-1336 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. 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