If you are using Murmur3 partitioner and do not wish to partake in vnodes you 
can still calculate inital_tokens. 

There is a guide here 
http://www.datastax.com/docs/1.2/initialize/token_generation#calculating-tokens-for-the-murmur3partitioner

Cheers
 
-----------------
Aaron Morton
Freelance Cassandra Developer
New Zealand

@aaronmorton
http://www.thelastpickle.com

On 2/02/2013, at 9:59 AM, Edward Capriolo <edlinuxg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You do not just want to vnodes without being sure. Some queries are
> not optimized for vnodes and issue 128 slices to solve some
> secondaryIndexQueries.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Víctor Hugo Oliveira Molinar
> <vhmoli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Do not set initial_token when using murmur3partitioner.
>> instead, set num_tokens.
>> 
>> For example, u have 3 hosts with the same hardware setup, then, for each one
>> set the same num_tokens.
>> But now consider adding another better host, this time i'd suggest you to
>> set previous num_tokens * 2.
>> 
>> num_tokens: 128 (worse machines)
>> num_tokens: 256(twice better machine)
>> 
>> This is the setup of virtual nodes.
>> Check current datastax docs for it.
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 8:43 PM, Edward Capriolo <edlinuxg...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is the bad side of changing default. There are going to be a few
>>> groups unfortunates.
>>> 
>>> The first group, who only can not setup their cluster, and eventually
>>> figure out their tokens. (this thread)
>>> The second group, who assume their tokens were correct and run around
>>> with an unbalanced cluster thinking the performance sucks. (the
>>> threads for the next few months)
>>> The third group, who will google "how to balance my ring" and find a
>>> page with random partitioner instructions. (the occasional thread for
>>> the next N years)
>>> The fourth group, because as of now map reduce is highly confused by this.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Rob Coli <rc...@palominodb.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Edward Capriolo
>>>> <edlinuxg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Now by default a new partitioner is chosen Murmer3.
>>>> 
>>>> "Now" = as of 1.2, to be unambiguous.
>>>> 
>>>> =Rob
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> =Robert Coli
>>>> AIM&GTALK - rc...@palominodb.com
>>>> YAHOO - rcoli.palominob
>>>> SKYPE - rcoli_palominodb
>> 
>> 

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