That is correct, Sunil. Just to confirm, the Node Labeling feature on 2.8 or 3.0 alpha won’t satisfy my need, right?
From: Sunil Govind [mailto:sunil.gov...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 07, 2016 12:09 PM To: Frank Luo <j...@merkleinc.com>; user@hadoop.apache.org Subject: Re: how to add a shareable node label? HI Frank In that case, preemption may not be needed. So over-utilizing resources of queueB will be running till it completes. Since queueA is under served, then any next free container could go to queueA which is for Job_A. Thanks Sunil On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 9:58 PM Frank Luo <j...@merkleinc.com<mailto:j...@merkleinc.com>> wrote: Sunil, Your description pretty much matches my understanding. Except for “Job_A will have to run as per its schedule w/o any delay”. My situation is that Job_A can be delayed. As long as it runs in queueA, I am happy. Just as you said, processes normally running in queueB might not be preemptable. So if they overflow to queueA then got preempted, then that is not good. From: Sunil Govind [mailto:sunil.gov...@gmail.com<mailto:sunil.gov...@gmail.com>] Sent: Friday, October 07, 2016 10:50 AM To: Frank Luo <j...@merkleinc.com<mailto:j...@merkleinc.com>>; user@hadoop.apache.org<mailto:user@hadoop.apache.org> Subject: Re: how to add a shareable node label? HI Frank Thanks for the details. I am not quite sure if I understood you problem correctly. I think you are looking for a solution to ensure that Job_A will have to run as per its schedule w/o any delay. Meantime you also do not want to waste resources on those high end machine where Job_A is running. I think you still need node label exclusivity here since there is h/w dependency. But if you have 2 queues' which are shared to use "labelA" here, then always "Job_A" can be planned to run in that queue, say "queueA". Other jobs could be run in "queueB" here. So if you tune capacities and if preemption is enabled per queue level, overutilized resources used by "queueB" could be preempted for "Job_A". But if your sharable jobs are like some linux jobs which should not be preempted, then this may be only a half solution. Thanks Sunil On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 7:36 AM Frank Luo <j...@merkleinc.com<mailto:j...@merkleinc.com>> wrote: Sunil, You confirmed my understanding. I got the understanding by reading the docs and haven’t really tried 2.8 or 3.0-alphal. My situation is that I am in a multi-tenant env, and got several very powerful machines with expensive licenses to run a particular linux job, let’s say Job_A. But the job is executed infrequently, so I want to let other jobs to use the machines when Job_A is not running. In the meaning time, I am not powerful enough to force all other jobs to be preemptable. As matter of fact, I know they have Hadoop jobs inserting into sql-server, or just pure linux jobs that are not preemptable in nature. So preempt jobs is not an option for me. I hope it makes sense. Frank From: Sunil Govind [mailto:sunil.gov...@gmail.com<mailto:sunil.gov...@gmail.com>] Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 2:15 PM To: Frank Luo <j...@merkleinc.com<mailto:j...@merkleinc.com>>; user@hadoop.apache.org<mailto:user@hadoop.apache.org> Subject: Re: how to add a shareable node label? HI Frank Ideally those containers will be preempted if there are unsatisfied demand for "configured label". I could explain this: "labelA" has few empty resources. All nodes under "default" label is used. Hence a new application which is submitted to "default" label has to wait. But if "labelA" is non-exclusive and there are some free resources, this new application can run on "labelA". However if there are some more new apps submitted to "labelA", and if there are no more resources available in "labelA", then it may preempt containers from the app which was sharing containers earlier. May be you could share some more information so tht it may become more clear. Also I suppose you are running this in hadoop 3 alpha1 release. please correct me if I m wrong. Thanks Sunil On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 9:44 PM Frank Luo <j...@merkleinc.com<mailto:j...@merkleinc.com>> wrote: Thanks Sunil. > 3. If there is any future ask for those resources , we will preempt the non > labeled apps and give them back to labeled apps. Unfortunately, I am still not able to use it, because of the preemptive behavior. The jobs that steals labelled resources are not preemptable, and I’d rather waiting instead of killing. From: Sunil Govind [mailto:sunil.gov...@gmail.com<mailto:sunil.gov...@gmail.com>] Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 1:59 AM To: Frank Luo <j...@merkleinc.com<mailto:j...@merkleinc.com>>; user@hadoop.apache.org<mailto:user@hadoop.apache.org> Subject: Re: how to add a shareable node label? Hi Frank I think as of today this is not possible. You could try and experience the "non-exlusive" feature of node-label which will officially come in 2.8 soon. Or you can try it in "Hadoop 3 alpha1" release too if its fine to check. YARN-3214<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/YARN-3214> has the details for the nodelabel sharing concept. Thanks Sunil On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 8:14 PM Frank Luo <j...@merkleinc.com<mailto:j...@merkleinc.com>> wrote: Sunil, thanks for responding. So is there any way to dedicate one kind of jobs to certain machines, then having those machines be shared if no dedicated job running? From: Sunil Govind [mailto:sunil.gov...@gmail.com<mailto:sunil.gov...@gmail.com>] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 12:50 AM To: Frank Luo <j...@merkleinc.com<mailto:j...@merkleinc.com>>; user@hadoop.apache.org<mailto:user@hadoop.apache.org>; u...@yarn.apache.org<mailto:u...@yarn.apache.org> Subject: Re: how to add a shareable node label? Hi Frank, As far as I checked, all labels are "exclusive" in 2.7. In upcoming 2.8 release, we can get "non-exclusive" or sharable node labels. Thanks Sunil On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 8:40 AM Frank Luo <j...@merkleinc.com<mailto:j...@merkleinc.com>> wrote: I am using Hadoop 2.7.3, when I run: $ yarn rmadmin -addToClusterNodeLabels "Label1(exclusive=false)" I got an error as: … addToClusterNodeLabels: java.io.IOException: label name should only contains {0-9, a-z, A-Z, -, _} and should not started with {-,_} If I just use “Label1”, it will work fine, but I want a shareable one. Anyone knows a better way to do it? Access the Q2 2016 Digital Marketing Report for a fresh set of trends and benchmarks in digital marketing<http://www2.merkleinc.com/l/47252/2016-07-26/47gt7c> Download our latest report titled “The Case for Change: Exploring the Myths of Customer-Centric Transformation” <http://www2.merkleinc.com/l/47252/2016-08-04/4b9p7c> This email and any attachments transmitted with it are intended for use by the intended recipient(s) only. 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