Doh!  my bad…fat fingered a copy/paste.

Thanks!
Birch
On Sep 20, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Ted Yu <yuzhih...@gmail.com> wrote:

> bq. FirstKeyFilter *should* be faster since it only grabs the first KV pair.
> 
> Minor correction: FirstKeyFilter above should be FirstKeyOnlyFilter
> 
> 
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 5:53 PM, James Birchfield <
> jbirchfi...@stumbleupon.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for the info.
>> 
>> Right now the MapReduce Scan uses the FirstKeyOnlyFilter.  From what I
>> have read in the javadoc, FirstKeyFilter *should* be faster since it only
>> grabs the first KV pair.
>> 
>> I will play around with setting the caching size to a much higher number
>> and see how it performs.  I do not think I have too much wiggle room to
>> modify our cluster configurations, but will see what I can do.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Birch
>> On Sep 20, 2013, at 5:39 PM, Bryan Beaudreault <bbeaudrea...@hubspot.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> If your cells are extremely small try setting the caching even higher
>> than
>>> 10k.  You want to strike a balance between MBs of response size and
>> number
>>> of calls needed, leaning towards larger response sizes as far as your
>>> system can handle (account for RS max memory, and memory available to
>> your
>>> mappers).
>>> 
>>> You could use the KeyOnlyFilter to further limit the sizes of responses
>>> transferred.
>>> 
>>> Another thing that may help would be increasing your block size.  This
>>> would speed up sequential read but slow down random access.  It would be
>> a
>>> matter of making the config change and then running a major compaction to
>>> re-write the data.
>>> 
>>> We constantly run multiple MR jobs (often on the order of 10's) against
>> the
>>> same hbase cluster and don't often see issues.  They are not full table
>>> scans, but they do often overlap.  I think it would be worth at least
>>> attempting to run multiple jobs at once.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 8:09 PM, James Birchfield <
>>> jbirchfi...@stumbleupon.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I did not implement accurate timing, but the current table being counted
>>>> has been running for about 10 hours, and the log is estimating the map
>>>> portion at 10%
>>>> 
>>>> 2013-09-20 23:40:24,099 INFO  [main] Job                            :
>> map
>>>> 10% reduce 0%
>>>> 
>>>> So a loooong time.  Like I mentioned, we have billions, if not trillions
>>>> of rows potentially.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the feedback on the approaches I mentioned.  I was not sure
>> if
>>>> they would have any effect overall.
>>>> 
>>>> I will look further into coprocessors.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Birch
>>>> On Sep 20, 2013, at 4:58 PM, Vladimir Rodionov <vrodio...@carrieriq.com
>>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> How long does it take for RowCounter Job for largest table to finish on
>>>> your cluster?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just curious.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On your options:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. Not worth it probably - you may overload your cluster
>>>>> 2. Not sure this one differs from 1. Looks the same to me but more
>>>> complex.
>>>>> 3. The same as 1 and 2
>>>>> 
>>>>> Counting rows in efficient way can be done if you sacrifice some
>>>> accuracy :
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://highscalability.com/blog/2012/4/5/big-data-counting-how-to-count-a-billion-distinct-objects-us.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yeah, you will need coprocessors for that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Vladimir Rodionov
>>>>> Principal Platform Engineer
>>>>> Carrier IQ, www.carrieriq.com
>>>>> e-mail: vrodio...@carrieriq.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> From: James Birchfield [jbirchfi...@stumbleupon.com]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:50 PM
>>>>> To: user@hbase.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: HBase Table Row Count Optimization - A Solicitation For
>> Help
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hadoop 2.0.0-cdh4.3.1
>>>>> 
>>>>> HBase 0.94.6-cdh4.3.1
>>>>> 
>>>>> 110 servers, 0 dead, 238.2364 average load
>>>>> 
>>>>> Some other info, not sure if it helps or not.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Configured Capacity: 1295277834158080 (1.15 PB)
>>>>> Present Capacity: 1224692609430678 (1.09 PB)
>>>>> DFS Remaining: 624376503857152 (567.87 TB)
>>>>> DFS Used: 600316105573526 (545.98 TB)
>>>>> DFS Used%: 49.02%
>>>>> Under replicated blocks: 0
>>>>> Blocks with corrupt replicas: 1
>>>>> Missing blocks: 0
>>>>> 
>>>>> It is hitting a production cluster, but I am not really sure how to
>>>> calculate the load placed on the cluster.
>>>>> On Sep 20, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Ted Yu <yuzhih...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> How many nodes do you have in your cluster ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When counting rows, what other load would be placed on the cluster ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What is the HBase version you're currently using / planning to use ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 2:47 PM, James Birchfield <
>>>>>> jbirchfi...@stumbleupon.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>     After reading the documentation and scouring the mailing list
>>>>>>> archives, I understand there is no real support for fast row counting
>>>> in
>>>>>>> HBase unless you build some sort of tracking logic into your code.
>> In
>>>> our
>>>>>>> case, we do not have such logic, and have massive amounts of data
>>>> already
>>>>>>> persisted.  I am running into the issue of very long execution of the
>>>>>>> RowCounter MapReduce job against very large tables (multi-billion for
>>>> many
>>>>>>> is our estimate).  I understand why this issue exists and am slowly
>>>>>>> accepting it, but I am hoping I can solicit some possible ideas to
>> help
>>>>>>> speed things up a little.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>     My current task is to provide total row counts on about 600
>>>>>>> tables, some extremely large, some not so much.  Currently, I have a
>>>>>>> process that executes the MapRduce job in process like so:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>                     Job job = RowCounter.createSubmittableJob(
>>>>>>> 
>> ConfigManager.getConfiguration(),
>>>>>>> new String[]{tableName});
>>>>>>>                     boolean waitForCompletion =
>>>>>>> job.waitForCompletion(true);
>>>>>>>                     Counters counters = job.getCounters();
>>>>>>>                     Counter rowCounter =
>>>>>>> counters.findCounter(hbaseadminconnection.Counters.ROWS);
>>>>>>>                     return rowCounter.getValue();
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>     At the moment, each MapReduce job is executed in serial order,
>> so
>>>>>>> counting one table at a time.  For the current implementation of this
>>>> whole
>>>>>>> process, as it stands right now, my rough timing calculations
>> indicate
>>>> that
>>>>>>> fully counting all the rows of these 600 tables will take anywhere
>>>> between
>>>>>>> 11 to 22 days.  This is not what I consider a desirable timeframe.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>     I have considered three alternative approaches to speed things
>>>> up.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>     First, since the application is not heavily CPU bound, I could
>>>> use
>>>>>>> a ThreadPool and execute multiple MapReduce jobs at the same time
>>>> looking
>>>>>>> at different tables.  I have never done this, so I am unsure if this
>>>> would
>>>>>>> cause any unanticipated side effects.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>     Second, I could distribute the processes.  I could find as many
>>>>>>> machines that can successfully talk to the desired cluster properly,
>>>> give
>>>>>>> them a subset of tables to work on, and then combine the results post
>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>     Third, I could combine both the above approaches and run a
>>>>>>> distributed set of multithreaded process to execute the MapReduce
>> jobs
>>>> in
>>>>>>> parallel.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>     Although it seems to have been asked and answered many times, I
>>>>>>> will ask once again.  Without the need to change our current
>>>> configurations
>>>>>>> or restart the clusters, is there a faster approach to obtain row
>>>> counts?
>>>>>>> FYI, my cache size for the Scan is set to 1000.  I have experimented
>>>> with
>>>>>>> different numbers, but nothing made a noticeable difference.  Any
>>>> advice or
>>>>>>> feedback would be greatly appreciated!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Birch
>>>>> 
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