Karl, That sounds reasonable. I am having my SP Admin set up the NTML SharePoint instance described below I will let you know how it works.
BTW SP 2013 RTM has been released so we can cross #1 off the list :) Thanks Bob -----Original Message----- From: Karl Wright [mailto:daddy...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 3:47 PM To: user@manifoldcf.apache.org Subject: Re: Cannot connect to SharePoint 2010 instance Hi Bob, That depends very strongly on whether SharePoint 2013 continues the Microsoft tradition of breaking web services that used to work. :-) Seriously, we need three things to develop a SharePoint 2013 solution: (1) A stable release (a beta is not sufficient because Microsoft is famous for changing things in a major way between beta and release); (2) a benevolent client with sufficient patience to try things out that we develop in their environment, and (3) enough time so that we're not on the bleeding edge and that other people have run into most of the sticky problems first. We're volunteers here and we all have day jobs, so we mostly can't afford to be pounding away at brick walls on our own. It could be the case that everything just works, in which case the development is trivial. We'll have to see. Karl On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Iannetti, Robert <robert.ianne...@novartis.com> wrote: > Karl, > > On another topic is there a roadmap for supporting SharePoint 2013 ? > We are in the process of migrating and were wondering when your ManifoldCF > product would be available to support it. > > Thanks > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karl Wright [mailto:daddy...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 3:34 PM > To: user@manifoldcf.apache.org > Subject: Re: Cannot connect to SharePoint 2010 instance > > Hi Bob, > > The only products I know have a similar limitations. The only one I know is > the SharePoint google appliance connector, which when I looked last had > exactly the same restriction. It also has other limitations, some severe, > such as limiting the number of documents you can crawl to no more than 5000 > per library. > > We are willing to do a reasonable amount of work to upgrade ManifoldCF > to be able to support Kerberos. Here's a link which describes the > situation: > > http://old.nabble.com/Support-for-Kerberos-SPNEGO-td14564857.html > > We currently use a significantly-patched version of 3.1, which supplied the > NTLM implementation for 4.0 that is currently in use. > Our issue is similar to the commons-httpclient team's, which is we have no > good way of testing all of this, and none of us are security protocol > experts. If you have (or know somebody with) such expertise, who would be > willing/able to donate their time, this problem could be tackled I think > without too much pain. So at least httpclient, given the right tickets, > would be able to connect. > > The other issue with Kerberos auth is that I believe it will require a > significant amount of work to allow anything using it to obtain the tickets > from the AD domain controller. This would obviously require UI work for all > connectors that would support Kerberos. But that is something I am willing > to attempt if everything else is in place. > > Karl > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Iannetti, Robert > <robert.ianne...@novartis.com> wrote: >> Karl, >> >> If this is not possible can you recommend any other products to crawl >> SharePoint content and index it in Solr? >> >> Thanks >> Bob >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Karl Wright [mailto:daddy...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 3:10 PM >> To: user@manifoldcf.apache.org >> Subject: Re: Cannot connect to SharePoint 2010 instance >> >> No, Kerberos is not supported. This is a limitation of the Apache >> commons-httpclient library that we use for communicating with SharePoint. >> >> It is possible to set up IIS to serve a different port with different >> authentication that goes to the same SharePoint instance but is NTLM >> protected, not Kerberos protected. Perhaps you can do this and limit access >> to that port to only the ManifoldCF machine. >> >> Karl >> >> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Iannetti, Robert >> <robert.ianne...@novartis.com> wrote: >>> Karl, >>> >>> Our SharePoint sites use Kerberos authentication is this supported in >>> ManifoldCF? >>> >>> Thanks >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Karl Wright [mailto:daddy...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 2:50 PM >>> To: user@manifoldcf.apache.org >>> Subject: Re: Cannot connect to SharePoint 2010 instance >>> >>> Yes, this can be somewhat tricky. There are a lot of potential >>> configurations that could affect this. >>> >>> First, you want to verify that your IIS is using NTLM authentication, and >>> that all the web services directories are "executable". This is critical. >>> >>> Second, the credentials, in the form of domain\user, may be sensitive to >>> whether you use a fully-qualified domain name or a shortcut domain name, >>> e.g. mydomain.novartis.com or just mydomain. I suggest you try some >>> combinations. The other thing you may want to check is whether the machine >>> you are running ManifoldCF on is known by your domain controller; you may >>> not be able to authenticate if it is not. >>> >>> If this doesn't help, and you want to eliminate ManifoldCF's NTLM >>> implementation from the list of possibilities, I suggest downloading the >>> "curl" utility, and trying to fetch a web service listing or wsdl using it >>> (specifying NTLM of course as the authentication method). If that also >>> doesn't work, it's a server-side configuration problem of some kind. >>> >>> You can also refer to the server-side IIS logs for some additional info. >>> But I've found these are not very helpful for authentication issues. >>> >>> Let me know if you are still stuck after this; there are other diagnostics >>> available but they start to get ugly. >>> >>> Kral >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Iannetti, Robert >>> <robert.ianne...@novartis.com> wrote: >>>> Karl, >>>> >>>> I turned on the additional debugging and was able to resolve the 404 issue. >>>> >>>> Now I am getting: >>>> Crawl user did not authenticate properly, or has insufficient >>>> permissions to access http://xxxx.xxx.xxx: (401)Unauthorized >>>> >>>> I can log into the SharePoint site from the browser using the same >>>> credentials. >>>> >>>> >>>> Any Thoughts? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Karl Wright [mailto:daddy...@gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 10:05 AM >>>> To: user@manifoldcf.apache.org >>>> Subject: Re: Cannot connect to SharePoint 2010 instance >>>> >>>> Well, you can turn on httpclient wire debugging, as I believe is described >>>> in the article URL I sent you before, and then you can see precisely what >>>> URL the connector is trying to reach when it accesses the MCPermissions >>>> service. >>>> >>>> There's no magic here. If the connector gets a 404 error back from IIS, >>>> either its URL is wrong, or IIS has decided it's not going to serve that >>>> page to the client. >>>> >>>> Karl >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Iannetti, Robert >>>> <robert.ianne...@novartis.com> wrote: >>>>> Yes, The URL and what I enter in the ManifoldCF interface are a match. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Karl Wright [mailto:daddy...@gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 8:52 AM >>>>> To: user@manifoldcf.apache.org >>>>> Subject: Re: Cannot connect to SharePoint 2010 instance >>>>> >>>>> I've seen situations where a SharePoint site is configured to perform a >>>>> redirection, and this is messing things up internally. Does the your >>>>> connection server name etc. match precisely the URL you see when you are >>>>> in the SharePoint user interface? >>>>> >>>>> Karl >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Iannetti, Robert >>>>> <robert.ianne...@novartis.com> wrote: >>>>>> Karl, >>>>>> >>>>>> After further review it appears the MCpermissions.asmx was installed >>>>>> globally in SharePoint. I am able to access it from within my SharePoint >>>>>> site as well as all other valid SharePoint sub-sites. >>>>>> So this connection http://<server>/<sitepath>/_vti_bin works with any >>>>>> valid site in <sitepath> including the previously mentioned _admin site. >>>>>> >>>>>> That said do you have any thoughts on why I would be getting the 404 >>>>>> error? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> Bob >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Karl Wright [mailto:daddy...@gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 2:45 PM >>>>>> To: user@manifoldcf.apache.org >>>>>> Subject: Re: Cannot connect to SharePoint 2010 instance >>>>>> >>>>>> The 404 error indicates that your MCPermissions service is not properly >>>>>> deployed. The "_admin" in your path is a clue that something might not >>>>>> be right. The place you want to see the MCPermissions.asmx is in the >>>>>> following location: >>>>>> >>>>>> http[s]://<server>/<sitepath>/_vti_bin >>>>>> >>>>>> ... where the <server> is your server name, and the <sitepath> is your >>>>>> site path. The best way to get this is to enter the SharePoint UI (NOT >>>>>> the admin UI, but the SharePoint end-user UI), and log into the root >>>>>> site. Then make note of the URL in your browser. >>>>>> >>>>>> If the MCPermissions.asmx service appears under that URL, look at your >>>>>> IIS settings and make sure that the MCPermissions.asmx service can be >>>>>> executed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, this may be of some help: >>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CONNECTORS/Debugging+ >>>>>> C >>>>>> o >>>>>> n >>>>>> n >>>>>> e >>>>>> ctions >>>>>> >>>>>> The end user documentation is also extremely helpful in describing how >>>>>> to properly set up connections. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can uninstall the MCPermissions.asmx service using the .bat files >>>>>> that are included with the plugin. When you re-install, please make >>>>>> sure that you are logged in as a user with full admin privileges, or the >>>>>> service will not work properly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Karl >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Iannetti, Robert >>>>>> <robert.ianne...@novartis.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have installed apache-manifoldcf-1.0.1 on my Linux server and >>>>>>> apache-manifoldcf-sharepoint-2010-plugin-0.1-bin on my >>>>>>> SharePoint >>>>>>> 2010 server. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On my SharePoint server I can see the Permissions Page when I >>>>>>> enter http://xxxxx:xxxxx/_admin/_vti_bin/MCPermissions.asmx in my >>>>>>> browser. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I try to make a "SharePoint Services 4.0 (2010)" connection >>>>>>> to my SharePoint 2010 server in the ManifoldCF interface I get this >>>>>>> error. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Got an unknown remote exception accessing site - axis fault = >>>>>>> Client, detail = The request failed with HTTP status 404: Not Found. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can connect using "SharePoint Services 2.0 (2003)" but when I >>>>>>> try a crawl it does not work properly and aborts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The "SharePoint Services 3.0 (2007)" connection fails the same >>>>>>> as the above >>>>>>> 2010 connection. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can you please give some direction on how best to resolve this issue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bob >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Robert P. Iannetti >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Application Architect >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Novartis Institute for BioMedical Research >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 186 Massachusetts Avenue >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cambridge, MA 02139 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Phone: +1 (617) 871-5414 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> robert.ianne...@novartis.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>
