Hi Tim:
Since you asked:
I'd like to have a download site where any user, especially a new user,
could visit, feel comfortable about the project (and life in general),
and then proceed about the business of downloading code. Easy, simple
and painless. Yes, the nightly builds are a HUGE step in that direction.
Thanks again to everyone who makes this possible. But, lets put that in
perspective: That only makes the process of downloading easier.
I'd also like to have a seat on the project's oversight group. I don't
understand how a project of this magnitude can continue to grow and
prosper without business oriented people helping to guide it. The
oversight group (whoever they happen to be) is like a bunch of very
clever "foxes" guarding the "chicken coop". (Where the "chicken coop" is
the code base.) There is so much more to making software successful than
anything clever "foxes" will ever have time to consider.
Actually, I take that back. If I'm part of the committer's group, I
won't be able to "whine" and "troll" from the comfort of my desktop
anymore.
Regards,
Ruth
Tim Ruppert wrote:
Thanks - again that was super helpful.
I took the time to lay it out like a towel what was there, what looks to be
broken when we migrated to the ASF infra and no you wont' go thru it? There
are some obvious spots for you to say something or point to projects you like,
but you just continue to roll your eyes. I didn't push for or want this move
to the ASF infra - but I'm still trying to help here.
What else do you want here Ruth?
Cheers,
Ruppert
On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
Hi Tim:
I've been through this already. Several times over.
All I can say at this point is, no one is minding the store. I just don't get
it: You guys spend hours agonizing over how and where to put spaces in Java
files, yet you can't see the most obvious flaws in how OFBiz does business.
Oh well...
Regards,
Ruth
Tim Ruppert wrote:
Ruth, I'm sure there's some good that could come out of your message - so
against my general nature of responding to this type of attitude, I'm going to
try and help you phrase this in a way that will help us help infra to try to
meet what you're looking for. Here's what I see when I go to the site(s):
http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/snapshots/ - not downloading and testing
anything - just looking at what I see:
1. The nightly trunk seems to be updated daily.
2. The 9.04 builds seem to, for some reason not be being updated on this page.
3. There aren't many 4.0 releases being built.
Then I go to here - http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/archive/snapshots/ -
and I see a slightly different picture:
1. The trunk builds aren't really archives they're simply another copy after it
was moved over. -- The archives are there though from when HotWax was managing
it.
2. The 9.04 builds seem to really be the ones that we'd want on that first page.
Now, since I know that this release and the downloads are super important to
you, I'm really more interested in hearing you:
1. Lay out the way you'd like to see these pages work.
2. Even show some examples of other projects that you _do_ like
I hope this helps Ruth - as Adrian and Jacopo mentioned, what you've sent here
is just a whine, not a helpful way for anyone to improve. Put in the time and
help us to make it more like you like and I'm sure you'll be more pleased with
the result. Btw, all of those other options are not the same type of community
driven projects as the ASF, so it's hard to manage the same way. When
commercial interests are more intertwined with the project, there are
definitely benefits (as well as drawbacks), so let's at least acknowledge those.
Cheers,
Ruppert
On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Adrian Crum wrote:
If there is a problem with the OFBiz site, it would be helpful to know what it
is. Remarks like this are not helpful.
-Adrian
Ruth Hoffman wrote:
This was meant as a sarcastic, "I can't believe this kind of thing keeps falling
through the cracks", kind of remark. No wonder new users shy away. I mean, no wonder
new users run as fast as their browsers will take them to OpenBravo, OpenERP, Magento...
Regards,
Ruth
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